Councillor's plea to ditch Hereford's £30m link road plan

THE leader of Herefordshire’s main opposition party is urging the local authority to ditch plans for its multimillion pound link road.

Councillor Bob Matthews says the proposed £30 million project linking Commercial Road with Edgar Street would achieve “limited benefits” and should be ditched.

The Independent party head said the money should instead be spent on improving infrastructure to service the impending Enterprise Zone at Rotherwas.

“The £30 million saved by abandoning the link road could be readily available to construct the new highway into Rotherwas and would be far more economically beneficial for the people of Herefordshire,” said Coun Matthews.

“At the same time it would save a considerable sum, bearing in mind the council is already in debt to the tune of approximately £145 million.”

Coun Matthews has also asked the Conservative-led administration to consider installing a covered overhead walkway for shoppers to cross Newmarket Street towards High Town from the soon to be built Old Livestock Market development.

He said Newmarket Street should continue as the main thoroughfare for traffic travelling from the west of the city – Whitecross, for instance – to the east.

“This type of link would be far more user-friendly and would go some way towards sustaining the existing city centre businesses,” he said.

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11:48am Fri 28 Dec 12

Gillian1961 says...

its alright mr Bob Mathews complaining now after Rockfield as already closed down the sorting office as campained from the begining and any other bussness that is involed why did he not fight in the begining when the preposial was put through
its alright mr Bob Mathews complaining now after Rockfield as already closed down the sorting office as campained from the begining and any other bussness that is involed why did he not fight in the begining when the preposial was put through Gillian1961

12:38pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Bromyard.Drifter says...

So if this lot gets cancelled, then Rockfield have been forced to close for nothing! Another example of what numpties Hereford have for councillors. A sack of monkies with dice would make better decisions!
So if this lot gets cancelled, then Rockfield have been forced to close for nothing! Another example of what numpties Hereford have for councillors. A sack of monkies with dice would make better decisions! Bromyard.Drifter

12:49pm Fri 28 Dec 12

A.Non01 says...

This whole idea is madness. One of the primary reasons for planning the link road is to take the traffic away from Newmarket st and therefore to enable the new development to be more joined up with the existing City centre.

Perhaps if Herefordshire Council had been more proactive in providing the bypass that Hereford has blatantly needed for many years then we wouldhave less need of the link road.
This whole idea is madness. One of the primary reasons for planning the link road is to take the traffic away from Newmarket st and therefore to enable the new development to be more joined up with the existing City centre. Perhaps if Herefordshire Council had been more proactive in providing the bypass that Hereford has blatantly needed for many years then we wouldhave less need of the link road. A.Non01

1:12pm Fri 28 Dec 12

All Legs says...

How the heck will it cost £30m? The two roads are a stone's throw from each other! And I agree with Gillian - why call for a halt now??
How the heck will it cost £30m? The two roads are a stone's throw from each other! And I agree with Gillian - why call for a halt now?? All Legs

1:19pm Fri 28 Dec 12

bobby47 says...

Halleluzah! Thank you Jesus. Thank you Lord.
Well done Councillor Matthews. You are now on my list of Councillors I like and i'll not forget you stepping forward and communicating your views.
From hereon I want you and your colleagues to please us more. We aint greedy for pleasure. On the contrary, we need very little pleasure to sustain us. All I ask is whenever this chaotic Councillor Leadership do something that is crazy and deluded, which sadly for us all is frequently, I want you and your colleagues to write a letter to the Hereford Times and express your concern.
I used to read your letters in the Times and Journal and they were full of critisism and common sense. Rediscover your youth and zeal and start saying it as it is. This Council Leadership are an incompetent gathering of fools and you and your colleagues must do the right thing and rid us of Jarvis and his gang of colleagues who grasp onto the levers of power.
This road they intend to build? Its a dog buddy. Its a dog with fleas, these fleas bite and we cant afford this madness. Not now and not for some considerable time. We are fiscally skint. Bereft of any hope for the future and we all have to rid ourselves of this group who are as mad as a bag of rabid rats.
My very warmest regards to you.
Halleluzah! Thank you Jesus. Thank you Lord. Well done Councillor Matthews. You are now on my list of Councillors I like and i'll not forget you stepping forward and communicating your views. From hereon I want you and your colleagues to please us more. We aint greedy for pleasure. On the contrary, we need very little pleasure to sustain us. All I ask is whenever this chaotic Councillor Leadership do something that is crazy and deluded, which sadly for us all is frequently, I want you and your colleagues to write a letter to the Hereford Times and express your concern. I used to read your letters in the Times and Journal and they were full of critisism and common sense. Rediscover your youth and zeal and start saying it as it is. This Council Leadership are an incompetent gathering of fools and you and your colleagues must do the right thing and rid us of Jarvis and his gang of colleagues who grasp onto the levers of power. This road they intend to build? Its a dog buddy. Its a dog with fleas, these fleas bite and we cant afford this madness. Not now and not for some considerable time. We are fiscally skint. Bereft of any hope for the future and we all have to rid ourselves of this group who are as mad as a bag of rabid rats. My very warmest regards to you. bobby47

1:35pm Fri 28 Dec 12

leftofmoorfarm says...

I can barely remember a single "plan" from Herefordshire Council that has actually happened. Why don't they just be honest. "We have no plans to do anything whatsoever, but hey, vote for us anyway. Why not? You always do" And how anyone thinks voting for It's Our County (and no one touches it!) is going to get anything done is beyond me. Their entire platform is based on "no, no, no!!!"
I can barely remember a single "plan" from Herefordshire Council that has actually happened. Why don't they just be honest. "We have no plans to do anything whatsoever, but hey, vote for us anyway. Why not? You always do" And how anyone thinks voting for It's Our County (and no one touches it!) is going to get anything done is beyond me. Their entire platform is based on "no, no, no!!!" leftofmoorfarm

2:49pm Fri 28 Dec 12

William Rudd says...

consider installing a covered overhead walkway for shoppers to cross Newmarket Street towards High Town from the soon to be built Old Livestock Market development

What a ****
consider installing a covered overhead walkway for shoppers to cross Newmarket Street towards High Town from the soon to be built Old Livestock Market development What a **** William Rudd

3:56pm Fri 28 Dec 12

littlewhitebull says...

HERE YOU CAN. Here you can,what? Has the money for this new road actually been allocated,
HERE YOU CAN. Here you can,what? Has the money for this new road actually been allocated, littlewhitebull

5:47pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Gillian1961 says...

Gillian1961 wrote:
its alright mr Bob Mathews complaining now after Rockfield as already closed down the sorting office as campained from the begining and any other bussness that is involed why did he not fight in the begining when the preposial was put through
Bob Mathews is a pain in the Butt he complained about the new cattle market, and even tried to stop it being built went to stretton sugwas school to try and get the children on his side i would of throught that some of the children that attend this school are from farming familys and the market would be Educational to them ,any way he did not get his way because it was built and as there were talk of have a second corporation Tip at Burghill which he did win because he told the council that he did not want it on his door step, so we have to travel all the way to Rotherwas,
[quote][p][bold]Gillian1961[/bold] wrote: its alright mr Bob Mathews complaining now after Rockfield as already closed down the sorting office as campained from the begining and any other bussness that is involed why did he not fight in the begining when the preposial was put through[/p][/quote]Bob Mathews is a pain in the Butt he complained about the new cattle market, and even tried to stop it being built went to stretton sugwas school to try and get the children on his side i would of throught that some of the children that attend this school are from farming familys and the market would be Educational to them ,any way he did not get his way because it was built and as there were talk of have a second corporation Tip at Burghill which he did win because he told the council that he did not want it on his door step, so we have to travel all the way to Rotherwas, Gillian1961

5:49pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Bromyard Boy says...

Rockfields was not forced to close at all, they took the £5 million with a huge smile.
Hereford needs a bypass badly as total continual gridlock is only a few years away at most.
If it had been built in the 1960's it would have been paid for by now.
Bromyard changed over night from being a congested fume-filled town, to one of freedom and, guess what, better shopping facilities and increased turnover by the retailers there when it was bulit in the 1960's.
A by pass should be Herefords one and only goal for the immediate future.
Rockfields was not forced to close at all, they took the £5 million with a huge smile. Hereford needs a bypass badly as total continual gridlock is only a few years away at most. If it had been built in the 1960's it would have been paid for by now. Bromyard changed over night from being a congested fume-filled town, to one of freedom and, guess what, better shopping facilities and increased turnover by the retailers there when it was bulit in the 1960's. A by pass should be Herefords one and only goal for the immediate future. Bromyard Boy

5:56pm Fri 28 Dec 12

TwoWheelsGood says...

Wm Rudd - vote rigging is a serious - and litigious - accusation - can you substantiate this or is it just council fed hyperbole?
Wm Rudd - vote rigging is a serious - and litigious - accusation - can you substantiate this or is it just council fed hyperbole? TwoWheelsGood

6:10pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Vic Vomitello says...

Cllr Matthews is right of course, but is wrong for not speaking up earlier. Having said that, we were fed the line the the £30m link road would be paid for by the developers, or government, or the private sector, and then finally, we were let into the secret that taxpayers would be paying for it. The money could be far better spent, as could the £60m likely to be spent on the Old Livestock Market out of our pockets.
Cllr Matthews is right of course, but is wrong for not speaking up earlier. Having said that, we were fed the line the the £30m link road would be paid for by the developers, or government, or the private sector, and then finally, we were let into the secret that taxpayers would be paying for it. The money could be far better spent, as could the £60m likely to be spent on the Old Livestock Market out of our pockets. Vic Vomitello

6:31pm Fri 28 Dec 12

wyesider says...

TwoWheelsGood wrote:
Wm Rudd - vote rigging is a serious - and litigious - accusation - can you substantiate this or is it just council fed hyperbole?
I quite agree with you TwoWheelsGood, the allegation of "vote rigging" by William Rudd is a very serious accusation. Vote rigging is illegal and people in the UK have gone to prison for this election fraud. Mr. Rudd should withdraw these remarks, or substantiate them.
[quote][p][bold]TwoWheelsGood[/bold] wrote: Wm Rudd - vote rigging is a serious - and litigious - accusation - can you substantiate this or is it just council fed hyperbole?[/p][/quote]I quite agree with you TwoWheelsGood, the allegation of "vote rigging" by William Rudd is a very serious accusation. Vote rigging is illegal and people in the UK have gone to prison for this election fraud. Mr. Rudd should withdraw these remarks, or substantiate them. wyesider

7:45pm Fri 28 Dec 12

RogerLFC says...

That old metal bridge over the railway line at College Road only has a 7.5 ton weight limit which is costing £30M to solve. I suppose the link road will spare the Barrs Court Road residents' extra traffic in front of their houses though ... If this new road ever gets built!
That old metal bridge over the railway line at College Road only has a 7.5 ton weight limit which is costing £30M to solve. I suppose the link road will spare the Barrs Court Road residents' extra traffic in front of their houses though ... If this new road ever gets built! RogerLFC

10:31pm Fri 28 Dec 12

Bromyard.Drifter says...

wyesider wrote:
TwoWheelsGood wrote:
Wm Rudd - vote rigging is a serious - and litigious - accusation - can you substantiate this or is it just council fed hyperbole?
I quite agree with you TwoWheelsGood, the allegation of "vote rigging" by William Rudd is a very serious accusation. Vote rigging is illegal and people in the UK have gone to prison for this election fraud. Mr. Rudd should withdraw these remarks, or substantiate them.
Get a life you two!
[quote][p][bold]wyesider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwoWheelsGood[/bold] wrote: Wm Rudd - vote rigging is a serious - and litigious - accusation - can you substantiate this or is it just council fed hyperbole?[/p][/quote]I quite agree with you TwoWheelsGood, the allegation of "vote rigging" by William Rudd is a very serious accusation. Vote rigging is illegal and people in the UK have gone to prison for this election fraud. Mr. Rudd should withdraw these remarks, or substantiate them.[/p][/quote]Get a life you two! Bromyard.Drifter

10:44am Sat 29 Dec 12

Vic Vomitello says...

Don't expect council nark William Rudd (nee Andrew Bowley) to withdraw his unsubstantiated remarks. And don't expect the council to see sense over the taxpayer funded link road. It serves no one but the developers yet the developers have refused to contribute. If it wasn't just a face saving exercise, the council would have shelved the Old Livestock Market fiasco years ago.
Don't expect council nark William Rudd (nee Andrew Bowley) to withdraw his unsubstantiated remarks. And don't expect the council to see sense over the taxpayer funded link road. It serves no one but the developers yet the developers have refused to contribute. If it wasn't just a face saving exercise, the council would have shelved the Old Livestock Market fiasco years ago. Vic Vomitello

11:56am Sat 29 Dec 12

William Rudd says...

£60m likely to be spent on the Old Livestock Market out of our pockets.

What a load crap again.We are not paying for the development.
£60m likely to be spent on the Old Livestock Market out of our pockets. What a load crap again.We are not paying for the development. William Rudd

12:19pm Sat 29 Dec 12

wyesider says...

Bromyard.Drifter wrote:
wyesider wrote:
TwoWheelsGood wrote:
Wm Rudd - vote rigging is a serious - and litigious - accusation - can you substantiate this or is it just council fed hyperbole?
I quite agree with you TwoWheelsGood, the allegation of "vote rigging" by William Rudd is a very serious accusation. Vote rigging is illegal and people in the UK have gone to prison for this election fraud. Mr. Rudd should withdraw these remarks, or substantiate them.
Get a life you two!
We still await the "evidence" of alleged "vote-riggers" from William Rudd. Presumably, he does not have any as he has failed to respond. This is very strange as he usually berates others for imprecise information, or false information.
[quote][p][bold]Bromyard.Drifter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wyesider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwoWheelsGood[/bold] wrote: Wm Rudd - vote rigging is a serious - and litigious - accusation - can you substantiate this or is it just council fed hyperbole?[/p][/quote]I quite agree with you TwoWheelsGood, the allegation of "vote rigging" by William Rudd is a very serious accusation. Vote rigging is illegal and people in the UK have gone to prison for this election fraud. Mr. Rudd should withdraw these remarks, or substantiate them.[/p][/quote]Get a life you two![/p][/quote]We still await the "evidence" of alleged "vote-riggers" from William Rudd. Presumably, he does not have any as he has failed to respond. This is very strange as he usually berates others for imprecise information, or false information. wyesider

12:24pm Sat 29 Dec 12

William Rudd says...

I don't spout bull on here like some here.
Regarding the bullying and votes this happened at the Hereford theatre one night around 18 mths ago.A group from IOC were waving their plackards &
asking people to sign a petition in a bulling manner.Some people signed it.
Putting your name on that petition is exactly the same as voting for them and their cause.When you have people signing a petition when they have not been given the full facts is wrong and totally un acceptable.
I don't spout bull on here like some here. Regarding the bullying and votes this happened at the Hereford theatre one night around 18 mths ago.A group from IOC were waving their plackards & asking people to sign a petition in a bulling manner.Some people signed it. Putting your name on that petition is exactly the same as voting for them and their cause.When you have people signing a petition when they have not been given the full facts is wrong and totally un acceptable. William Rudd

12:29pm Sat 29 Dec 12

sutton11 says...

Is this not the typical answer for most of our Cllrs - complain and moan after the decisons have been made - why didnt Cllr Matthews make a fuss before Rockfield took their £5m (big smiles on their faces and to be fair to the council they did everything they could to help locate a new site for them!! its was Rockfield who decided to close).
The road is going to be built so why cannot people get over it and let it get built (I am not saying its right, but its going to happen).
Also I have heard that a Cllr is wanting a full legal review of the old market site and the process that has been followed (so probably another possible delay). Why cannot people get over this as well - if its going to happen let us happen and building works to start.
I do agree though we need a new bypass and lets get on and sort this out as a priority.
I know everyone moans at the Council, to be fair to them a lot of what happens is not their fault they are forced into by Central Government.
Is this not the typical answer for most of our Cllrs - complain and moan after the decisons have been made - why didnt Cllr Matthews make a fuss before Rockfield took their £5m (big smiles on their faces and to be fair to the council they did everything they could to help locate a new site for them!! its was Rockfield who decided to close). The road is going to be built so why cannot people get over it and let it get built (I am not saying its right, but its going to happen). Also I have heard that a Cllr is wanting a full legal review of the old market site and the process that has been followed (so probably another possible delay). Why cannot people get over this as well - if its going to happen let us happen and building works to start. I do agree though we need a new bypass and lets get on and sort this out as a priority. I know everyone moans at the Council, to be fair to them a lot of what happens is not their fault they are forced into by Central Government. sutton11

12:36pm Sat 29 Dec 12

William Rudd says...

Vic Vomitello is (Harry Williams (IOC)
Candi date & Harry Williams and Vic Vomitello Hereford futures facebook.

How sad that you need three different profiles to put your thoughts across.
Vic Vomitello is (Harry Williams (IOC) Candi date & Harry Williams and Vic Vomitello Hereford futures facebook. How sad that you need three different profiles to put your thoughts across. William Rudd

12:42pm Sat 29 Dec 12

littlewhitebull says...

William Rudd wrote:
I don't spout bull on here like some here.
Regarding the bullying and votes this happened at the Hereford theatre one night around 18 mths ago.A group from IOC were waving their plackards &
asking people to sign a petition in a bulling manner.Some people signed it.
Putting your name on that petition is exactly the same as voting for them and their cause.When you have people signing a petition when they have not been given the full facts is wrong and totally un acceptable.
Thank you for backing up your previous response. I signed a petition against the war in Iraq - even though ex-military. However, this did not mean I supported the political party that instigated the petition. A parlous point, I agree.
[quote][p][bold]William Rudd[/bold] wrote: I don't spout bull on here like some here. Regarding the bullying and votes this happened at the Hereford theatre one night around 18 mths ago.A group from IOC were waving their plackards & asking people to sign a petition in a bulling manner.Some people signed it. Putting your name on that petition is exactly the same as voting for them and their cause.When you have people signing a petition when they have not been given the full facts is wrong and totally un acceptable.[/p][/quote]Thank you for backing up your previous response. I signed a petition against the war in Iraq - even though ex-military. However, this did not mean I supported the political party that instigated the petition. A parlous point, I agree. littlewhitebull

1:45pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Biomech says...

There is absolutely no reason, need or requirement for this link road. It serves no purpose, will have no impact on traffic and is a waste of time and money.

More importantly, it won't even put a dent in the traffic congestion issues on Edgar Street that will be unimaginably magnified when the OLM complex opens.

Build a huge shopping complex on one of Herefords most gridlocked roads - what could possibly go wrong.
There is absolutely no reason, need or requirement for this link road. It serves no purpose, will have no impact on traffic and is a waste of time and money. More importantly, it won't even put a dent in the traffic congestion issues on Edgar Street that will be unimaginably magnified when the OLM complex opens. Build a huge shopping complex on one of Herefords most gridlocked roads - what could possibly go wrong. Biomech

1:53pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Biomech says...

Sutton11, "it's going to happen" - you must be new to Hereford ;)
Sutton11, "it's going to happen" - you must be new to Hereford ;) Biomech

2:46pm Sat 29 Dec 12

sutton11 says...

Biomech - no have lived here for over 30years actually.
Just fed up with people moaning and not taking action. I agree with comments about not needing the road just fed up with the moaning after decisions have been made and that people don't get their facts right before commenting on here. Hereford needs a future and investment in it (I.e a bypass and decent shopping) People leave the city centre as its rubbish for shopping, for example the old subway and the shop next door are becoming another charity shop - why oh why so we need another one. The cllrs should be getting our there, esp IOC cllrs and get some key shops into the town
Biomech - no have lived here for over 30years actually. Just fed up with people moaning and not taking action. I agree with comments about not needing the road just fed up with the moaning after decisions have been made and that people don't get their facts right before commenting on here. Hereford needs a future and investment in it (I.e a bypass and decent shopping) People leave the city centre as its rubbish for shopping, for example the old subway and the shop next door are becoming another charity shop - why oh why so we need another one. The cllrs should be getting our there, esp IOC cllrs and get some key shops into the town sutton11

3:00pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Biomech says...

I don't know about everyone else, but I agree, Hereford needs a future desperately, what I object to it's the lies, politics, ****, promises and absolute ludicrous decisions made by the council.

If you've lived here that long, you'll remember the multplex cinema, ice rink and laser quest we were promised on the whitecross site about 20+ years ago.

What we need never gets done. What gets done are expensive, badly executed wastes of time.
I don't know about everyone else, but I agree, Hereford needs a future desperately, what I object to it's the lies, politics, ****, promises and absolute ludicrous decisions made by the council. If you've lived here that long, you'll remember the multplex cinema, ice rink and laser quest we were promised on the whitecross site about 20+ years ago. What we need never gets done. What gets done are expensive, badly executed wastes of time. Biomech

3:07pm Sat 29 Dec 12

sutton11 says...

I do agree - I just hope that the new site gets underway - thats my New Years wish.
I do agree - I just hope that the new site gets underway - thats my New Years wish. sutton11

3:33pm Sat 29 Dec 12

bobby47 says...

Sutton, My dear good friend. Dont be encouraging this notion that we should all get our facts right before arguing upon an issue.
If that idea catches on fools like me who rant, rave and moan and groan about anything and everything, well, I'll be done for. Nothing I say is based upon facts and sane reasoning and I'll be damned if the screaming mob that I am associated with have their voices silenced simply because we've no idea about facts.
Welcome to our band of ranters and ravers but please, from hereon, say no more about sane and reasoned argument.
We are simply folk. The salt of the earth. You know! Deranged and bottom feeding morons.
My warmest regards to you.
Sutton, My dear good friend. Dont be encouraging this notion that we should all get our facts right before arguing upon an issue. If that idea catches on fools like me who rant, rave and moan and groan about anything and everything, well, I'll be done for. Nothing I say is based upon facts and sane reasoning and I'll be damned if the screaming mob that I am associated with have their voices silenced simply because we've no idea about facts. Welcome to our band of ranters and ravers but please, from hereon, say no more about sane and reasoned argument. We are simply folk. The salt of the earth. You know! Deranged and bottom feeding morons. My warmest regards to you. bobby47

5:44pm Sat 29 Dec 12

Biomech says...

Fact is demolition was supposed to start in 2010 - it started at the end of 2012. Excuses included that it was due to start October 2012 - after announcements were made that it would be delayed in the summer due to the queens visit. So no substance there.

Fact is the complex is due completion by Easter 2014 - that's about 15 months to finish demolition, lay foundations, build an entire complex, fit it out and open it.

Fact is the council led the public to believe that the contract had been signed years ago when it was only done several weeks/months ago.

Fact is Hereford has some of the most expensive car parks in the country.

Fact is more shops have closed down while street traders are on the increase.

Fact is that Hereford needs a bypass.

Fact is that the link road will not alleviate congestion on Edgar Street - which will, in fact, get worse due to the ESG/OLM or whatever they are calling it this week.

Fact is flood defences were put in and only succeeded in keeping the water out of the one place that only flooded once in the last 20 years while all areas that flood yearly were once again underwater.

Fact is that corners are cut on filling potholes meaning they fail within days and have to be done over and over.

Fact is Hereford has some of the worst quality roads between here and Scotland.

Fact is....

.... Here We Can't.
Fact is demolition was supposed to start in 2010 - it started at the end of 2012. Excuses included that it was due to start October 2012 - after announcements were made that it would be delayed in the summer due to the queens visit. So no substance there. Fact is the complex is due completion by Easter 2014 - that's about 15 months to finish demolition, lay foundations, build an entire complex, fit it out and open it. Fact is the council led the public to believe that the contract had been signed years ago when it was only done several weeks/months ago. Fact is Hereford has some of the most expensive car parks in the country. Fact is more shops have closed down while street traders are on the increase. Fact is that Hereford needs a bypass. Fact is that the link road will not alleviate congestion on Edgar Street - which will, in fact, get worse due to the ESG/OLM or whatever they are calling it this week. Fact is flood defences were put in and only succeeded in keeping the water out of the one place that only flooded once in the last 20 years while all areas that flood yearly were once again underwater. Fact is that corners are cut on filling potholes meaning they fail within days and have to be done over and over. Fact is Hereford has some of the worst quality roads between here and Scotland. Fact is.... .... Here We Can't. Biomech

12:44pm Sun 30 Dec 12

Vic Vomitello says...

Brilliant set of facts spelt out by Biomech! This council cannot be trusted and has wasted £60m on the Old Livestock Market (including building a new one, gifting land to developers, flood alleviation that doesn't work, a link road that won't help, consultation that is fake, feasibility studies that lead nowhere and Hereford Futures fat cats who could not run a sweetie shop).
Brilliant set of facts spelt out by Biomech! This council cannot be trusted and has wasted £60m on the Old Livestock Market (including building a new one, gifting land to developers, flood alleviation that doesn't work, a link road that won't help, consultation that is fake, feasibility studies that lead nowhere and Hereford Futures fat cats who could not run a sweetie shop). Vic Vomitello

2:21pm Sun 30 Dec 12

William Rudd says...

Biomech.You really need to do your homework..
The link road will serve the new development and the 300 houses being built on the merton meadow.
A new lane will be added from Newmarket roundabout to the enterance of the link road.This will take traffic direct to train station,hospital,mor
risons,bus station, so taking a huge amount of traffic from other routes taken to get there.
Also construction has already began on the multiplex cinema.
You can scream n shout about the Council,stanhope and hfd futures and all the **** that has come with it.I for one like so many don't give two bloody hoots what has gone on in secret meetings or how much people make or will make from the development,it happens all the time.
Fact is the City without this will remain dead and stagnant.
Biomech.You really need to do your homework.. The link road will serve the new development and the 300 houses being built on the merton meadow. A new lane will be added from Newmarket roundabout to the enterance of the link road.This will take traffic direct to train station,hospital,mor risons,bus station, so taking a huge amount of traffic from other routes taken to get there. Also construction has already began on the multiplex cinema. You can scream n shout about the Council,stanhope and hfd futures and all the **** that has come with it.I for one like so many don't give two bloody hoots what has gone on in secret meetings or how much people make or will make from the development,it happens all the time. Fact is the City without this will remain dead and stagnant. William Rudd

2:25pm Sun 30 Dec 12

William Rudd says...

This council cannot be trusted and has wasted £60m on the Old Livestock Market

You see this is the type of utter nonsence that people read and take as fact.
This council cannot be trusted and has wasted £60m on the Old Livestock Market You see this is the type of utter nonsence that people read and take as fact. William Rudd

2:54pm Sun 30 Dec 12

Biomech says...

"The link road will serve the new development and the 300 houses being built on the merton meadow."

Are you really that naive that you think stuffing a huge shopping complex PLUS 300 new houses on top of the most gridlocked roads in Hereford is going to be fixed by, essentially, updating a road that is already in place?

....wow.

You are right about one thing, Hereford will die (even more so than it has). No one comes here, no one wants to come here. It will die at the hands of the inept council and their ridiculous schemes.

However, let me make this perfectly clear, I'm not against the development in the slightest, it should have been done 20 years ago. It's simply a case that it's being done incorrectly causing problems and costing extortionate amounts of money that's wasted more than it's used.
"The link road will serve the new development and the 300 houses being built on the merton meadow." Are you really that naive that you think stuffing a huge shopping complex PLUS 300 new houses on top of the most gridlocked roads in Hereford is going to be fixed by, essentially, updating a road that is already in place? ....wow. You are right about one thing, Hereford will die (even more so than it has). No one comes here, no one wants to come here. It will die at the hands of the inept council and their ridiculous schemes. However, let me make this perfectly clear, I'm not against the development in the slightest, it should have been done 20 years ago. It's simply a case that it's being done incorrectly causing problems and costing extortionate amounts of money that's wasted more than it's used. Biomech

3:43pm Sun 30 Dec 12

megilleland says...

I for one like so many don't give two bloody hoots what has gone on in secret meetings or how much people make or will make from the development,it happens all the time.
Fact is the City without this will remain dead and stagnant.


A lot of secret meetings and secret courts are already being held without the public's knowledge with lots of people being taken off our streets and locked up the same day. Interesting to note that Jesse Norman MP is holding an evening on this very subject at The Starlight Rooms, Hereford United FC on 10th January. Maybe an idea to go along and find out why the government and local authorities want this to proceed unless of course you are above the law.
[quote]I for one like so many don't give two bloody hoots what has gone on in secret meetings or how much people make or will make from the development,it happens all the time. Fact is the City without this will remain dead and stagnant.[/quote] A lot of secret meetings and secret courts are already being held without the public's knowledge with lots of people being taken off our streets and locked up the same day. Interesting to note that Jesse Norman MP is holding an evening on this very subject at The Starlight Rooms, Hereford United FC on 10th January. Maybe an idea to go along and find out why the government and local authorities want this to proceed unless of course you are above the law. megilleland

4:16pm Sun 30 Dec 12

probono says...

Good Old Bob - see a bandwaggon and jump on it. Why not make it through Stretton Sugwas and Credenhill ? Mmm ?
Or maybe let Bob build the houses in Credenhill.
Answers in a plain brown envelope please
Good Old Bob - see a bandwaggon and jump on it. Why not make it through Stretton Sugwas and Credenhill ? Mmm ? Or maybe let Bob [the Builder] build the houses in Credenhill. Answers in a plain brown envelope please probono

11:24am Mon 31 Dec 12

p157 says...

Hereford is possibly the only city in western Europe without a bypass, I love the quaint gridlocked road system in Hereford, the 2 lanes that merge into one without warning, the lane direction markers that are painted on the road, obscured by the vehicle at the front to confuse strangers, and the lack of filter turning at the "new" bridge, (North junction)
I don't think things will ever improve
Hereford is possibly the only city in western Europe without a bypass, I love the quaint gridlocked road system in Hereford, the 2 lanes that merge into one without warning, the lane direction markers that are painted on the road, obscured by the vehicle at the front to confuse strangers, and the lack of filter turning at the "new" bridge, (North junction) I don't think things will ever improve p157

5:59pm Mon 31 Dec 12

Gillian1961 says...

probono wrote:
Good Old Bob - see a bandwaggon and jump on it. Why not make it through Stretton Sugwas and Credenhill ? Mmm ?
Or maybe let Bob build the houses in Credenhill.
Answers in a plain brown envelope please
I glad some one else knows Bob Mathews for what he realy is
[quote][p][bold]probono[/bold] wrote: Good Old Bob - see a bandwaggon and jump on it. Why not make it through Stretton Sugwas and Credenhill ? Mmm ? Or maybe let Bob [the Builder] build the houses in Credenhill. Answers in a plain brown envelope please[/p][/quote]I glad some one else knows Bob Mathews for what he realy is Gillian1961

6:37pm Mon 31 Dec 12

JudSawyer says...

Opposing the link road is a good idea, though rather late. The covered overhead pedestrian walkway sounds bleak and scary, though.

Regarding the 300 homes to be built on Merton Meadows -- wasn't it going to be 800 homes originally, in the Urban Village? Sadly the old ESG website no longer exists to check.

The extra road means extra junctions, which means extra bottlenecks. Traffic on Aylestone Hill already crawls at snail's pace and cars cannot get in and out of side roads.

Also, the link road will (would?) be a major road for my kid to cross on her way to school. Will there be a pedestrian crossing where it meets Widemarsh St? A lollipop lady or man?
Opposing the link road is a good idea, though rather late. The covered overhead pedestrian walkway sounds bleak and scary, though. Regarding the 300 homes to be built on Merton Meadows -- wasn't it going to be 800 homes originally, in the Urban Village? Sadly the old ESG website no longer exists to check. The extra road means extra junctions, which means extra bottlenecks. Traffic on Aylestone Hill already crawls at snail's pace and cars cannot get in and out of side roads. Also, the link road will (would?) be a major road for my kid to cross on her way to school. Will there be a pedestrian crossing where it meets Widemarsh St? A lollipop lady or man? JudSawyer

10:47pm Mon 31 Dec 12

bobby47 says...

Folks, as we near the end of our pointless delivery of drivel and tripe in response to this thread of news, can we all just remember that we want Councillors to come on here and curse Jarvis and his inner circle who have their hands on the levers of power.
This Councillor has done what we've asked so lets give him some credit.
I want other Councillors to come on here and join in our protest against this chaotic and deranged thinking Council Leadership.
Lets not lose sight of what we want!
Folks, as we near the end of our pointless delivery of drivel and tripe in response to this thread of news, can we all just remember that we want Councillors to come on here and curse Jarvis and his inner circle who have their hands on the levers of power. This Councillor has done what we've asked so lets give him some credit. I want other Councillors to come on here and join in our protest against this chaotic and deranged thinking Council Leadership. Lets not lose sight of what we want! bobby47

12:33pm Tue 1 Jan 13

littlewhitebull says...

Bobby, I will not allow you to take the rap for drivel and tripe. You make more sense than many. After all, as our de facto King, we must bow allegiance and accept our own foolish pondering thoughts on this website. At least I shall accept than I am probably more guilty than most.
Happy New Year to you and all other posters.
Bobby, I will not allow you to take the rap for drivel and tripe. You make more sense than many. After all, as our de facto King, we must bow allegiance and accept our own foolish pondering thoughts on this website. At least I shall accept than I am probably more guilty than most. Happy New Year to you and all other posters. littlewhitebull

1:02pm Tue 1 Jan 13

megilleland says...

Regarding the 300 homes to be built on Merton Meadows -- wasn't it going to be 800 homes originally, in the Urban Village? Sadly the old ESG website no longer exists to check.


Here is the ESG Herefordshire Ltd original master plan:
http://www.herefordf
utures.co.uk/Content
/files/Hereford_Futu
res_Master_Plan.pdf

The project started out as a £280 million pound project and envisaged 1100 homes being built. This design brief proposed 1013 units:
http://www.czwg.com/
images/uploads/CZWG_
Blackfriars_Urban_Vi
llage.pdf

However this has come down over the years to a £90 million pound project and possibly 800 houses.

The preferred options in the Place Shaping Paper identified the strategic housing locations to enable the growth of Hereford. A common location within ESG is the urban village area, where it is estimated that 800 dwellings could
result. Other housing option sites are urban extensions to the built up area of Hereford. All strategic sites will be required to include affordable housing and be of high quality design.

This option was raised as an alternative to those within the Place Shaping Paper but is considered to be unrealistic. The Edgar Street Grid proposals are a commitment of the Council and include a variety of uses to regenerate
the city centre. The Urban Village will provide 800 new homes in the city, a third of which will be affordable. There is limited land available within this area to increase the numbers of housing already identified. Therefore, placing more homes within the scheme is not a viable or realistic option.

This document Herefordshire Council's Strategic Housing Land Availability Assessment (SHLAA) 2011 lists housing sites in the county. The ESG site is on p265 & 266 of this document.
http://www.herefords
hire.gov.uk/docs/Her
eford(4).pdf
[quote]Regarding the 300 homes to be built on Merton Meadows -- wasn't it going to be 800 homes originally, in the Urban Village? Sadly the old ESG website no longer exists to check.[/quote] Here is the ESG Herefordshire Ltd original master plan: http://www.herefordf utures.co.uk/Content /files/Hereford_Futu res_Master_Plan.pdf The project started out as a £280 million pound project and envisaged 1100 homes being built. This design brief proposed 1013 units: http://www.czwg.com/ images/uploads/CZWG_ Blackfriars_Urban_Vi llage.pdf However this has come down over the years to a £90 million pound project and possibly 800 houses. The preferred options in the Place Shaping Paper identified the strategic housing locations to enable the growth of Hereford. A common location within ESG is the urban village area, where it is estimated that 800 dwellings could result. Other housing option sites are urban extensions to the built up area of Hereford. All strategic sites will be required to include affordable housing and be of high quality design. This option was raised as an alternative to those within the Place Shaping Paper but is considered to be unrealistic. The Edgar Street Grid proposals are a commitment of the Council and include a variety of uses to regenerate the city centre. The Urban Village will provide 800 new homes in the city, a third of which will be affordable. There is limited land available within this area to increase the numbers of housing already identified. Therefore, placing more homes within the scheme is not a viable or realistic option. This document Herefordshire Council's Strategic Housing Land Availability Assessment (SHLAA) 2011 lists housing sites in the county. The ESG site is on p265 & 266 of this document. http://www.herefords hire.gov.uk/docs/Her eford(4).pdf megilleland

4:25pm Tue 1 Jan 13

Vic Vomitello says...

The council promised that over a third of new homes on the Old Livestock Market site would be 'affordable', whatever that means. Now it looks as if they have scrapped that promise without telling anyone. This council couldn't deliver anything, not even a single copy of the Admag.
The council promised that over a third of new homes on the Old Livestock Market site would be 'affordable', whatever that means. Now it looks as if they have scrapped that promise without telling anyone. This council couldn't deliver anything, not even a single copy of the Admag. Vic Vomitello

9:49am Wed 2 Jan 13

nickt2635 says...

I genuinely wish that i could get excited about and believe in this new shopping centre and relief road, it would be so good to see new life breathed into the city, but it just aint gonna happen!!! No matter what we have here to try to attract visitors, the one thing that EVERYBODY hates is being stuck in traffic!!! As an ex long distance driver i can say in all honesty that Hereford is one of the worst places in the country to get to, let alone get through! I could literally get from Merthyr to Belmont faster than i could get from Belmont to the other side of Hereford where i was based at Wye Valley Brewery!!! Take the A465 or the A49 or even the A438, they all go straight through the centre of Hereford instead of around the outskirts by way of a by-pass as they do everywhere else!!! Nobody comes here and nobody WILL come here no matter how we try to attract them simply because Hereford is a PIG of a place to get to!!! Get behind an artic or other slow moving vehicle and it can take well over an hour to get here from Worcester, or Abergavenny and they're only 28 and 25 miles away respectively!!! Motorists just don't want to be pulling their hair out mile after bloody mile as i have done so many times just trying to get here!!! Get real HC, sort the bloody roads out and make us more accessible before you waste OUR millions on hair brained schemes like the ESG!!! Without the infrastructure it just can't and wont work!!!
I genuinely wish that i could get excited about and believe in this new shopping centre and relief road, it would be so good to see new life breathed into the city, but it just aint gonna happen!!! No matter what we have here to try to attract visitors, the one thing that EVERYBODY hates is being stuck in traffic!!! As an ex long distance driver i can say in all honesty that Hereford is one of the worst places in the country to get to, let alone get through! I could literally get from Merthyr to Belmont faster than i could get from Belmont to the other side of Hereford where i was based at Wye Valley Brewery!!! Take the A465 or the A49 or even the A438, they all go straight through the centre of Hereford instead of around the outskirts by way of a by-pass as they do everywhere else!!! Nobody comes here and nobody WILL come here no matter how we try to attract them simply because Hereford is a PIG of a place to get to!!! Get behind an artic or other slow moving vehicle and it can take well over an hour to get here from Worcester, or Abergavenny and they're only 28 and 25 miles away respectively!!! Motorists just don't want to be pulling their hair out mile after bloody mile as i have done so many times just trying to get here!!! Get real HC, sort the bloody roads out and make us more accessible before you waste OUR millions on hair brained schemes like the ESG!!! Without the infrastructure it just can't and wont work!!! nickt2635

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