Figures reveal how much Herefordshire Council leaders earn a year

4:18pm Thursday 17th January 2013 in News By Bill Tanner

THE combined salaries of 13 senior managers at cash-strapped Herefordshire Council are now worth more than £1.2 million.

New figures confirm the salaries of the “lucky” 13 to make up the council’s top earners as from January 1 this year.

As previously revealed by the Hereford Times, the council needs to make up an unprecedented £10m shortfall on its budget for 2013/14 and has invited the public to “make your own cuts” with essential services already close to the bone.

The “lucky” 13 by post are:

• Chief Executive - £145,000

• Director of Corporate Services - £130,000

• Director for People’s Services (Director of Adult Social Services; Director of Children’s Services) - £120,000.

• Director for Places and Communities - £120,000

• Director of Public Health £97,478

• Asst. Director – Children and Young People’s Provider Services - £78,231

• Asst. Director – People’s Services Commissioning - £78,231

• Asst. Director – Economic, Environmental and Cultural Services - £76,176

• Asst. Director – Place Based Commissioning - £76,176

• Asst. Director – Homes and Community Services - £76,176

• Asst. Director of Law, Governance and Resilience (Monitoring Officer) - £90,000

• Asst. Director People, Policy and Partnerships - £78,231

• Chief Officer, Finance & Commercial Services - £90,000.

Combined sarlary total - £1,255,699.

The council’s employment panel meets next week to debate potential changes pay policies and terms and conditions.

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bobby47 says...
4:34pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Bloody Hell Bill, For the Love of God and all that's holy, good and right! Leave us alone for a couple of days.

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fordshire77 says...
4:48pm Thu 17 Jan 13

choo choo....the gravy train running well in this part of the world!

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M M says...
5:04pm Thu 17 Jan 13

And we have to pay another 1.9% Council Tax rise,
My favourite quotation "The Rich Get Rich and the Poor get Poorer"
And the potholes get deeper!
Where and when will it all end?

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littlewhitebull says...
5:12pm Thu 17 Jan 13

A few days ago I was listening to a radio debate in which a defender of high pay rates for 'council senior executives', stated that unless such high salaries were paid, councils would lose these 'highly skilled individuals to private industry.'
The chap speaking for cutbacks in the salaries for council executives suggested that most industries could not afford such a huge number of staff on such high salaries. He also made the point that if these senior executives were so talented, why do all councils spend so much by employing expensive outside consultants to do the jobs that many of these senior executives are supposedly brought in to do.
I don't have the answers, but it does seem that councils have become good outlets for spending large amounts of money at times of great austerity.

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jay1990 says...
5:13pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Noticing that the Director of childrens services is the 3rd highest paid! Is this not an area where the council have greatly failed? Oh well there is hope for me yet that if i fail miserably at my job i may get paid more and more! Disgrace

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WYSIATI says...
5:23pm Thu 17 Jan 13

I know I know - but I went back and looked for last year's list to make a comparison and see how much it had all increased (it must have given the fuss that's being made)

https://beta.herefor
dshire.gov.uk/media/
1546298/salaries_120
52011.pdf

That list added up to £1.8M and had 23 entries.

There may be more to be done but anyone want to volunteer their own organisation that's cut the number of executives by 43% and pay by 33% (I am sure the list is not a 1 for 1 comparison) but is it not suggesting that substantial cuts have been made?

I'd still like to think that the jobs were clearly specified, filled by effective people and paid appropriately.

And I know it's not fun (and I should find better things to do) but I got the stats on pay - http://www.ons.gov.u
k/ons/dcp171776_2617
16.pdf

And yes the public sector gets paid more than private on average - but the best educated and those in the top jobs get a lot more in the private sector.

How about a bit more news, a bit of analysis and a bit less rabble rousing?

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dippyhippy says...
6:30pm Thu 17 Jan 13

I quite like rabble rousing, I don't have many pleasures in life anymore - permanently skint!! Rabble rousing is a relatively cheap way to entertain myself during these hard economic times!!

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bobby47 says...
6:47pm Thu 17 Jan 13

And well said Dippy. It's simple minded folk like Dippy and I that allow those who can construct a sensible and measured sentence together the ability and means to flourish and prosper and become elected into high Office.
Being a part of the howling, screaming, deranged and blood thirsty mob is no small achievement and its morons like Dippy and I, and indeed several others on this site who are the salt of the earth and the glue that keeps our society tightly fixed together.
What Im saying in my clumsy roundabout way is we are clueless other than we know what's right and we know what's wrong and we know that there is something terribly wrong with this unholy Council Leadership, thus we scream and shout and demand change at the top of this Council Leadership.
As for the comments made by my good friend Wysiati. Ignore them! Any talk of sensible and reasoned discussion gets in the way of our aim, which is, my nemesis, Mr Jarvis has to go. It's either him or me and the way things are going ill be committed to the Stonebow Unit before we get our Drinks Cabinet a yard nearer the Town Hall.

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Roger J says...
7:33pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Put all these fat cats in the private sector & they would be out on their ear in no time, they wouldn't have a clue how to run a profitable business.

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WYSIATI says...
7:43pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Roger J - you've hit the nail on the head - they are meant to be running public services - while there are some similarities to running a profitable business there are also major differences - for a start instead of a single simple aim (maximising profit for shareholders) they have to deal with politicians, changing priorities, grants that come and go, Mr Pickles latest missive, new policies, legal wrangles, being sued by car drivers, providing child protection, getting our kids to school, providing enough school places, ensuring (how!) that quality is upheld in schools that are largely autonomous, dealing with a £5M cut in the budget announced a few days ago and to be in effect by end March, unions, snow storms, potholes, developers, FOI and the rest. Oh for a simple life and some widgets to make

I'll stick to the private sector - the pays great at the top, the perks fabulous, the scrutiny lax and the staff doing the work now exploited, pensions ruined and the management pay going through the roof and the shareholders pacified with a bit of a dividend.

And none of that excuses a slack, bad or lazy job - it can and must be done better

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Themightyboosh says...
7:50pm Thu 17 Jan 13

and they have just paid an stupid sum for 2 people to come in and make savings in adult social care WTF
plus they have just priced out over 1/3 of all day center clients. and made council transport cost more than taxis.

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Themightyboosh says...
8:06pm Thu 17 Jan 13

they are shutting all our day centers
by the back door
by making it too expensive
because they would take too much flack if they just shut day centres straight up


IN 3 WEEKS OUR BELOVED COUNCIL HAS EMPTIED OUR DAY CENTERS BY INCREASING THE CHARGES BY OVER 1000% FOR A LARGE PART OF OUR CLIENTS

really mid range from £4 per day to over £45 per day
many increases were more
plus council transport all of a sudden costs more than taxis.

this is for the disabled

costs more than a buisiness that makes profit
WTF

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Themightyboosh says...
8:11pm Thu 17 Jan 13

honestly i kid you not
go out and ask about
its jaw dropping and disgusting

the local bloke who stole £3800 from charity just got 4 years

he is small fry compaired to jarvis

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Themightyboosh says...
8:13pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Themightyboosh wrote:
honestly i kid you not
go out and ask about
its jaw dropping and disgusting

the local bloke who stole £3800 from charity just got 4 years

he is small fry compaired to jarvis
sry £38.0000

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Themightyboosh says...
8:17pm Thu 17 Jan 13

For the love of god these are not scroungers these are people who have no choice
and the chief exec find them a fine place to grub up the money for there pay

those parasitic scum that are our chief exec

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wyesider says...
8:20pm Thu 17 Jan 13

News that pensions for local government employees account for 20% of all council tax collected in Britain should be a cause for concern. Indeed, the Department for Councils and Local Communities (DCLG) will be implementing new arrangements for council employees. People such as teachers and the police will also find their pensions less attractive, as the country cannot afford the generosity of the past. The economic turmoil that the country is facing will mean even greater austerity measures will be needed. It is little wonder that the private sector is calling for greater savings to be made in the public purse. With many national companies having ceased trading, or facing administration, this is hardly surprising.
The cosy pension arrangement for one chief executive was highlighted by several national newspapers. A London borough chief executive has built a pension pot that will pay him £135,000 a year with a tax-free lump sum of £267,000. A private sector employee would need to save a pension pot of £2.5 million to enjoy such an arrangement. This particular council has made the information public, as it is required to do by regulations devised by the DCLG. However, some councils are flouting such regulations with claims that the public should not to be privy to such sensitive and personal information.
Secrecy still survives in many councils.

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Themightyboosh says...
8:22pm Thu 17 Jan 13

oh by they way there refurbishing the top floor of the bullmers offices soon for some exorbitant sum

scum scum scum

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Themightyboosh says...
8:28pm Thu 17 Jan 13

wyesider wrote:
News that pensions for local government employees account for 20% of all council tax collected in Britain should be a cause for concern. Indeed, the Department for Councils and Local Communities (DCLG) will be implementing new arrangements for council employees. People such as teachers and the police will also find their pensions less attractive, as the country cannot afford the generosity of the past. The economic turmoil that the country is facing will mean even greater austerity measures will be needed. It is little wonder that the private sector is calling for greater savings to be made in the public purse. With many national companies having ceased trading, or facing administration, this is hardly surprising.
The cosy pension arrangement for one chief executive was highlighted by several national newspapers. A London borough chief executive has built a pension pot that will pay him £135,000 a year with a tax-free lump sum of £267,000. A private sector employee would need to save a pension pot of £2.5 million to enjoy such an arrangement. This particular council has made the information public, as it is required to do by regulations devised by the DCLG. However, some councils are flouting such regulations with claims that the public should not to be privy to such sensitive and personal information.
Secrecy still survives in many councils.
i would point out that the council workers that actually do the work are poorly paid and the pension is the only redeeming fact
its the top 20%that account for most of that bill

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megilleland says...
9:12pm Thu 17 Jan 13

650 job cuts bombshell at County Hall
4:52pm Thursday 17th January 2013 in Worcester By Tom Edwards

County council leader Adrian Hardman
AROUND 650 extra jobs are going to be axed by Worcestershire County Council - on top of the 850 previously announced.

Bosses have unveiled a blueprint for between now and 2017 which reveals at least £20 million is set to be slashed from spending every year.

As well as 650 new job cuts, all services are being reviewed to see if they can be handed over to new providers, a tactic known as commissioning.

The 650 posts being axed are on top of the 857 previously announced back in 2010 under the BOLD scheme, which stands for Better Outcomes Leaner Delivery.

It means that by 2017 a total of 1,500 jobs will have been slashed at County Hall over six years, with just 3,000 workers left by then.

The authority’s leadership say they expect many staff to transfer to whichever organisations take over a service, but that redundancies will be unavoidable.

The fresh cuts, revealed yesterday, are contained in the council’s Corporate Plan for 2013-17, which also says workers that stay on can expect higher salaries because the quality of jobs will be better.

The Corporate Plan also includes notable schemes like £8.5m for faster broadband, rail station improvements, better highways and an agenda to encourage new business to the county.

Councillor Adrian Hardman, the leader, said: “This won’t be an easy thing for us to do, it won’t be an easy thing for council staff either, but we are determined to protect front line services while facing up to the financial challenges we face.”

The cuts are down to ever-increasing demands on services, particularly adult social care, lower than expected Government funding and the economic climate.

They are hoping enough new providers re-employ workers, avoiding the need for large swathes of them to end up unemployed.

They say the figure of 650 new job losses is the authority’s “best estimate” based on budget assumptions.

The Corporate Plan includes £210 million of large-scale investment into infrastructure like roads and rail.


The fresh cuts, revealed yesterday, are contained in the council’s Corporate Plan for 2013-17, which also says workers that stay on can expect higher salaries because the quality of jobs will be better.


I wonder who that may be?

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Gillian1961 says...
10:18pm Thu 17 Jan 13

This is just 13 of some of the top jobs, we have not even stratch the surface of the money that is being paid out to these fat cats we have all the councillers expenditure that should be published at the end of the tax year to the list, i went to i council meeting in our village and are main counciller runs is own shop and sells booze to under age costumers, i was told that you can not sit in on a council meeting if you had a criminal record or have been bankrupted unless your name is crll Jarvis who i was told by another counciller had been bankrupt twice and he is handling the council's purse strings

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probono says...
10:34pm Thu 17 Jan 13

A front line service is to tell its workers in a few days they are to lose their offices, jobs and the managers stay on. Level after level of them, meeting after meeitng, talking about more meetings. Still it is a way for a manager to keep their job.

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dippyhippy says...
7:26am Fri 18 Jan 13

The mighty boosh, I really feel for you mate. I know this is happening. I said on a pot last week, that the council aims to close these invaluable resources.Through unaffordable price increases,fewer clients will be able to access the services,the council will then say they are under utilised,and close it.The vulnerable ARE being targeted.It makes me feel physically sick.

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TwoWheelsGood says...
8:52am Fri 18 Jan 13

I've had regular dealings with one of those 'directors' listed above - worse than useless and totally ineffective, a typical local authority clone, promoted upwards to get him/her out of the way until they reach the top where they just tick the days off until they can retire. When you push them for answers/action, the shutters go up and they simply don't respond. This whole thing about paying the market rate is nonsense, spin from those trying to justify it - as has already beens said, most of these people wouldn't last 5 minutes in the real world.

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littlewhitebull says...
10:28am Fri 18 Jan 13

Themightyboosh wrote:
wyesider wrote:
News that pensions for local government employees account for 20% of all council tax collected in Britain should be a cause for concern. Indeed, the Department for Councils and Local Communities (DCLG) will be implementing new arrangements for council employees. People such as teachers and the police will also find their pensions less attractive, as the country cannot afford the generosity of the past. The economic turmoil that the country is facing will mean even greater austerity measures will be needed. It is little wonder that the private sector is calling for greater savings to be made in the public purse. With many national companies having ceased trading, or facing administration, this is hardly surprising.
The cosy pension arrangement for one chief executive was highlighted by several national newspapers. A London borough chief executive has built a pension pot that will pay him £135,000 a year with a tax-free lump sum of £267,000. A private sector employee would need to save a pension pot of £2.5 million to enjoy such an arrangement. This particular council has made the information public, as it is required to do by regulations devised by the DCLG. However, some councils are flouting such regulations with claims that the public should not to be privy to such sensitive and personal information.
Secrecy still survives in many councils.
i would point out that the council workers that actually do the work are poorly paid and the pension is the only redeeming fact
its the top 20%that account for most of that bill
I totally agree that the 'real' workers are hard done by. Although, I think Wyesider was talking about the huge payouts at the top of local government. The rich get richer and all that.

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Grid Knocker says...
11:11am Fri 18 Jan 13

One small pedantic gripe first: they're not actually 'Council Leaders'; they're mandarins, pen-pushers, yes-men (or women) who do exactly as they're told by their masters (or mistresses).

Point two. At a recent public meeting, the question was asked: "Why do you need to pay these enormous salaries?" Back came the answer: "Because we need the expertise of such professionals."

In which case, can Cllr John Jarvis explain why, if they've got all this in-house expertise to hand, Herefordshire Council forked out an eye-watering £257,000 for professional advice from two outside companies about Edgar Street Grid?

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littlewhitebull says...
11:56am Fri 18 Jan 13

Well said, Grid Knocker. I think Wyesider made a similar point to the one you made in your last paragraph. Does anybody have idea of how much is paid to outside consultants in a typical year?

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flamboyant says...
12:06pm Fri 18 Jan 13

I think there's a few directors missing from that list. Director of Customer Service and Communication is missing apparently he's on a combined salary for the two posts. The department also recently increased the number of managers in 2012 it consisted of the following-
Director of Customer Services and Communication
Business Development Manager
Customer Services Manager
3 Area Managers and
15 Branch Supervisors
Combined Salaries ? More managers than staff maybe Probono has something?

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Miss Taken says...
12:24pm Fri 18 Jan 13

flamboyant wrote:
I think there's a few directors missing from that list. Director of Customer Service and Communication is missing apparently he's on a combined salary for the two posts. The department also recently increased the number of managers in 2012 it consisted of the following- Director of Customer Services and Communication Business Development Manager Customer Services Manager 3 Area Managers and 15 Branch Supervisors Combined Salaries ? More managers than staff maybe Probono has something?
There was an assistant director of customer service and communications but he and his post have gone as far as I know. Will check with my sources for more info on this.

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bobby47 says...
5:18pm Fri 18 Jan 13

I was just having one of my all to rare lucid moments considering not only these revelations but all the other stuff that is dug up by this newspapers reporter Bill Tanner.
My point is we can hurl our complaints at this Council Leadership behind our Poster name and the annonimity that this site provides. For my part, truly, I do wonder how Bill copes with the inevitable hostility and resentment they, the Council Leadership, must shower upon him as he battles away bringing these things to our notice.
This is an example of great journalism being carried out without fear or favour and I for one fully appreciate Mr Tanner and his determination to get this news out to us.
They, the ones who hide these things from us and have walked over and around us without giving a care about our views must dislike Bill Tanner as much as we dislike this unholy gathering of Council Leaders who have brought this tragedy upon our heads.
It's a site that we all expect to use, we take full advantage of it and I know that we all appreciate the chance we are given to voice our concerns.
For my part, before I joined this site after reading pieces from TWG and Lukio I had no idea whatsoever that money was being spent and wasted to the degree that we now all understand it was.
I didn't know anything about their secret democracy, the gravey train and the incompetence surrounding their decisions. Like most normal people I just assumed that those who lead us knew what they were doing and they could be trusted.
Now I know it's very different and I will never again sit back and assume these things.
We've gotta keep going and drive this dysfunctional bunch from Office and hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later.

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dippyhippy says...
5:37pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Well said Bobby. We all owe Bill a huge debt of gratitude for keeping us mere mortals in the loop. Vive La Revolution !!

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probono says...
5:38pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Yep, and OBE for Bill is needed.

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WYSIATI says...
6:57pm Fri 18 Jan 13

I hate to rain on the parade but the quality of a lot of the "news" is appalling - sensational yes, informative and balanced no. As someone pointed out above the pay details published are council staff while the council leader is quite a different thing and there's no comparison to any other year or any other authority, no attempt to put into context.

I think you've just made the case for keeping Herefordshire Matters and I never thought anyone would manage to do that! Wonders will never cease.

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wyesider says...
8:03pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Just as we have some clever, astute people posting on this site, the same is happening in other areas.
A resident in the Bath and North Somerset Council area noticed invoices over £500 listed under the title ‘Leader’. This taxpayer asked the council for further details of these ‘Leader’ expenses under a FOI request, after being told that all such bills were expenses for the Council Leader.
This request revealed invoices for three new iPads, a new bike and huge sums for support services. A total of £1,620 per month was spent on chauffeuring for the Leader of the council. A rather large bill for IT services was also discovered – a mere £344, 108. Under the same heading of ‘Leader’ was a monthly Vodaphone bill for 31 mobiles at £2,154.60. A further bill caused much confusion – it was £929 for bikes and equipment. That one is still being investigated. Then there was a BUPA bill for £16,512 for private healthcare.
Bath and North Somerset Council has stated that despite the term ‘Leader’ being used, this did not mean that the invoices were actually for the Leader of the council. Clear as mud!
Can you imagine Herefordshire Council acting like this?

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bobby47 says...
9:08pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Wysiati, Hello my good friend. Council Staff or Council Leaders. I dont care how its dressed and what the difference is.
I dont want them to do what they have been doing anymore and I dont want to aid their inflated wages anymore.
I follow everything you say closely and I allways see some wisdom in what you say. I particularly agree in your comments for the absolute need for Management and Leadership.
Sadly, we have lots of tiers of Management but little leadership.
You and I both know what is required to lead and I've seen no sign of this human value from any of this gathering of fat cats.
For them to make a decision they pop the bloody question and issue into a letter and post it to some Consultant for the bloody answer.
I want Management. Ive no desire to rid ourselves of needed Management but I want these people to display leadership qualities.
They have failed to show me their leadership values and I suspect its probably because they have not got this quality and those that have, have had it kicked out of them as they've struggled up the greasy salary pole.
As for you raining on the parade?
Nonsense! You are just expressing your view and its one we all respect.
As for your view regarding the reporting of these issues, you and I completely disagree on this issue.
If it were not for the pressure that Tanner is applying and the determined way he goes about his work, we'd all be in the dark and frankly, Im pleased he's switched his torch onto 'them' and illuminated their activities.
My very warmest regards to you my friend.

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AylestoneVoice says...
8:19am Sat 19 Jan 13

QOf corse in addition to the list there are two more Assistant Directors in People Services - just appointed. Yhey seem to forget that it is this department which is currently overspending by £5 million and is th emain reason for all the other cuts. The excuse is that these senior appointments are to drive through futher savings. Well the ship is sinking!
Also the list will miss the Hoople side (the support service company) which is block funded by the Council. So the salary figures won't show directly on the Council staff list. Creative accounting. The Director of Hoople will be on about £150K and there will be the same level of Assistants etc

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WYSIATI says...
8:35am Sat 19 Jan 13

Bobby - sire - we're not so far apart. I do not believe that everyone and everything in the management of the council is rubbish. I am perfectly prepared to believe a good deal of it has been and certain things can always be done better.

I also know, for certain, there is more to what happens than meets the eye - some might be scandalous, much simply a fact of life.

I would not want to be trying to cope with the sort of problems the council has - living with politicians whims (here or in London), random budget cuts, pressures you have no control over (people are getting older, random school openings, unpredictable court decisions on kids being taken into care, economic disasters, changes in funding formulas, staff getting sick, staff making mistakes, or worse, the weather) - change everything, save huge slices of the budget and cover for the fickleness of the political masters and get abused for each and every thing you do or don't do.

Yes focus on keeping the good, strengthen what works, reduce what doesn't - but it all takes some time, a lot of work and some support.

Got to say the HT opinion has started to show a great deal more thought and consideration over recent months. I personally think that the news could be improved too - there's no need to try to make the news we have enough actual news - some of which is good....

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probono says...
10:33am Sat 19 Jan 13

At audit, and probably at any time these days, a Council tax payer can view the accounts which include Councillors expenses. Although in recent years Herefordshire Council have made this very difficult and instead of welcoming a member of the public to inspect and show how open and transparent they are, you are now met with evasion, minimum info and sometimes miild agression from people who tell you there are no rights to inspect the accounts. Until one member of the public insisted the Monitoring Officer came down to tell the accounts and audit officers he could inspect, he was kept in Reception for 2 hours with a string of refusals and excuses.
In the past some member have claimed for evening meals in local hostelries within the County and spurios travel expenses. Always worth a scrutinise. Shall we organise a Posters Posse to go and have a mass scrutiny of recent accounts. We will nedd flask, sandwiches and good books I fear while we wait !! FOI is long and arduous and I feel sorry for the FOI officer who is obviously being met with obstructions from above.

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dadgey says...
10:51am Sat 19 Jan 13

Can we all please calm down and get things in perspective, these people are being paid vast sums of money to ensure that our wonderful council is run efficiently-can you imagine the chaos if they weren't there? I can't.

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bobby47 says...
12:10pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Dadgey, My good friend. You say calm down!
I was shaving this morning and I've got a new vein near my throat and it looks to me like its ready to burst.
I can't calm down. I've gone way past calming bloody down.
I can imagine what things would be like if they weren't there to oversee this grand plan. For a starters I wouldn't have this bloody vein bulging in my neck for starters.
My very warmest regards.

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anotherwordforcorruptishereford says...
5:37pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Hereford. The epitome of systemic corruption.

You will NEVER get any info from FIOs! They send back justifications of why they will not release an iota of information. Probably that obnoxious little public schoolboy, your MP, Norman's daddy has friends in the Information Commissioner's Office...

Didn't Hereford just fail every level of the safeguarding inquiry? http://www.herefordt
imes.com/resources/f
iles/26652/ FINALLY! After YEARS of reporting of offenses that were completely ignored and countless children betrayed, harmed and called liars when they complained.

And the OFSTED officials who in 2010/11 completely ignored the reports of documentation manipulation / destruction of records / bullying, and awarded an "outstanding"anyway!
!!! LOL.....More proof of corruption. Services are awful, staff just want grant and council money for their own job security, not to help service users.

Bullying and corruption in Hereford is indisputable. NHS/Council/PCT are all in bed together. You cannot get corruption out of the system: it is what the system depends on......sad and sick but true.

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WYSIATI says...
10:25pm Sun 20 Jan 13

That last post is a bit strong - if the evidence exists then pass it to the police and get it investigated. Otherwise might be worth taking some care over libel.

Anyone care to put in some suggestions for the management structure and pay that would be appropriate for the council?

How many layers of management from bottom to top?

What are the figures? Turnover about £367M a year, staff around 1000 after last year's cuts.

Do we work on team size, turnover, responsibility?

Anything to compare to - deputy and head teachers, doctors, dentists - company senior management, company directors?

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brianjmee says...
7:26am Wed 23 Jan 13

I have reflected on the many articulate and overwhelmingly well presented comments on this matter and I ponder. Could a Hereford branch of the Tax Payer's Alliance be established. Remember, the magazine 'Private Eye' is full of similar stories of councils up and down the country behaving in exactly the same way.Where do you think Hereford gets its ideas from?
A none policitical presure group to rein in the spending excesses of our Council. None polictical - it's bound to appeal to the populace.?
Good or bad idea ?

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apdor says...
9:40am Thu 14 Feb 13

Ok lets put this in perspective. Lets fire all of the above employees. Now we have saved 1.2 million pounds, now you have nobody running things, and still have massive funding gaps ...

Brilliant ideas coming through from fools that dont think things through !

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