Council votes for council tax rise and service cuts

HEREFORDSHIRE Council has voted unanimously for a 1.9 per cent council tax rise.

The 2013/14 budget and future financial strategy was also backed by a big majority at this morning's full council meeting.

The extent of the cuts in that strategy to cover the council's £10m shortfall on the 2013/14 budget was outlined by the Hereford Times earlier this month.

Another 100-120 job losses across the council are also expected.

At the meeting the council was challenged by opposition members to push the council tax rise up to the 2 per cent that would trigger a referendum.

But the eventual vote for the rise was unanimous.

Voting figures for the budget and financial strategy were:

FOR: 32

AGAINST: 11

ABSTAINED: 11

The council's 2013/14 capital programme - outlined by the Hereford Times last week - was backed by a similar margin.

 

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2:20pm Mon 18 Feb 13

TwoWheelsGood says...

How can councillors (morally) abstain from voting on such an important issue? One has to ask why they are there, if not to represent those that have voted for them. Where would they be if we all abstained at election time?
How can councillors (morally) abstain from voting on such an important issue? One has to ask why they are there, if not to represent those that have voted for them. Where would they be if we all abstained at election time? TwoWheelsGood

3:15pm Mon 18 Feb 13

probono says...

Abstention is the cowards way out, and
saying 'I didn't vote for/against it, so don't blame me'.
Abstention is the cowards way out, and saying 'I didn't vote for/against it, so don't blame me'. probono

3:22pm Mon 18 Feb 13

fordshire77 says...

bet it will be closer to 120 than 100 jobs that go and you can bet your house on that Jarvis wont be one of them!!!
bet it will be closer to 120 than 100 jobs that go and you can bet your house on that Jarvis wont be one of them!!! fordshire77

3:35pm Mon 18 Feb 13

littlewhitebull says...

20% of the councillors at the meeting abstained from voting!
Would they be happy at the next council election for the electorate to have a box under the list of candidates in which an X could be placed if an elector wished to abstain?
I actually find myself having admiration for those who voted for the budget, rather than those who abstained. At least they had the guts to climb off the fence.
When will we be told whether any 'cuts' suggested by the citizens are to be included?
20% of the councillors at the meeting abstained from voting! Would they be happy at the next council election for the electorate to have a box under the list of candidates in which an X could be placed if an elector wished to abstain? I actually find myself having admiration for those who voted for the budget, rather than those who abstained. At least they had the guts to climb off the fence. When will we be told whether any 'cuts' suggested by the citizens are to be included? littlewhitebull

5:21pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Eddiebear says...

Yet again, thanks very much herefordshire council!!!! The working people have well and truly been screwed!!!! What do we get for our money, nothing!!!!! cuts, cuts and more cuts!!!!!! I feel like going to my boss, insulting him just to get fired so at least I get all the hand outs that you lot give away and not pay anything to the council, I would proberbly be better off!!!!! we as a rural part of england get the raw end of the deal for everything price wise and the council seem to pay themselfs big money, but push us for every penny, no wonder i`m thinking of selling up and moving away!!! F***ing blood suckers!
Yet again, thanks very much herefordshire council!!!! The working people have well and truly been screwed!!!! What do we get for our money, nothing!!!!! cuts, cuts and more cuts!!!!!! I feel like going to my boss, insulting him just to get fired so at least I get all the hand outs that you lot give away and not pay anything to the council, I would proberbly be better off!!!!! we as a rural part of england get the raw end of the deal for everything price wise and the council seem to pay themselfs big money, but push us for every penny, no wonder i`m thinking of selling up and moving away!!! F***ing blood suckers! Eddiebear

6:33pm Mon 18 Feb 13

littlewhitebull says...

I heard from a friend in Cornwall that after the decision to increase councillors' allowances by 20%, there was an enormous public outcry. So the 123 councillors in Cornwall have now accepted that no increase would be acceptable. Mind you their basic allowance is still just over £12,000.
I heard from a friend in Cornwall that after the decision to increase councillors' allowances by 20%, there was an enormous public outcry. So the 123 councillors in Cornwall have now accepted that no increase would be acceptable. Mind you their basic allowance is still just over £12,000. littlewhitebull

7:02pm Mon 18 Feb 13

moonhead66 says...

the council are proving to be nothing more than a collective of wimps, pimps and banjo players. the 20% that dont vote, need to come out of the neolithic sludge and realise the working families are fire fighting with just the activity of daily living.... I dread to think how much the 11 that did not vote would cost the tax payer on jury service,,, as they just hide under their comfort blankets and ask the foreman if the bougey man has gone away yet...... obviously they can still afford to sleep with the light one, but as for the rest of us that actually make a differance in the county shall continue to sit in the dark, whilst these chinless poohbahs work on getting their OBEs
the council are proving to be nothing more than a collective of wimps, pimps and banjo players. the 20% that dont vote, need to come out of the neolithic sludge and realise the working families are fire fighting with just the activity of daily living.... I dread to think how much the 11 that did not vote would cost the tax payer on jury service,,, as they just hide under their comfort blankets and ask the foreman if the bougey man has gone away yet...... obviously they can still afford to sleep with the light one, but as for the rest of us that actually make a differance in the county shall continue to sit in the dark, whilst these chinless poohbahs work on getting their OBEs moonhead66

7:23pm Mon 18 Feb 13

TwoWheelsGood says...

On the back of approved cuts comes the news, courtesy of the IOC site, that this oh so hard up Council is about to set up another private company to soak up what few millions we have left - yes, welcome to 'Hereford Enterprise Zone Ltd', a private company to be set up with public funds to benefit other private companies. Seemingly deaf to the long and hard criticisms of the last disastrous effort, Hereford Futiles, and its redheaded stepchild, the ludicrously monikered Hoople, Jarvis 'I'll ask but I'll never listen' Cockup and his cronies have decided this is such a trifling matter that it doesn't even merit cabinet debate.
On the back of approved cuts comes the news, courtesy of the IOC site, that this oh so hard up Council is about to set up another private company to soak up what few millions we have left - yes, welcome to 'Hereford Enterprise Zone Ltd', a private company to be set up with public funds to benefit other private companies. Seemingly deaf to the long and hard criticisms of the last disastrous effort, Hereford Futiles, and its redheaded stepchild, the ludicrously monikered Hoople, Jarvis 'I'll ask but I'll never listen' Cockup and his cronies have decided this is such a trifling matter that it doesn't even merit cabinet debate. TwoWheelsGood

7:38pm Mon 18 Feb 13

swampy says...

How can we find out who voted for what? I could understand the rise if this Council were looking after Herefordshire and its residents, but they are destroying it and the people in it. Any business run in the same way as this council, would be bankrupt and probably gone years ago. I had such high hopes for IOC but they seem useless these days, all talk and no action. Such a sad waste.
How can we find out who voted for what? I could understand the rise if this Council were looking after Herefordshire and its residents, but they are destroying it and the people in it. Any business run in the same way as this council, would be bankrupt and probably gone years ago. I had such high hopes for IOC but they seem useless these days, all talk and no action. Such a sad waste. swampy

7:47pm Mon 18 Feb 13

wyesider says...

I would hazard a guess that Herefordshire Council’s decision to increase council tax by 1.9% will not be welcomed by most people in the county.
Herefordshire is one of 81 councils to announce an increase in council tax so far. More will probably follow suit.
However, 40 councils have announced increases of 2% or more. This should trigger referendums in the areas affected, but so far I have not heard of one council that has declared a referendum. Hopefully, Mr Pickles will intervene?
15 councils have announced rises of 3.5% or more. They are Breckland 7.8%; North Dorset 4.77%; East Lindsey 4.4%; South Cambridgeshire 4.3%; South Kesteven 4%; Exeter 4%; Swansea 3.8%; Manchester 3.7%; Huntingdonshire 3.63%; Runnymede 3.62%; Ashford 3.55%; Bolton 3.5%; Oldham 3.5%; Rochdale 3.5%; South Hams 3.5%

Littlewhitebull stated that Cornwall’s councillors reversed the decision to increase their own allowances after Cornish taxpayers vented their feelings. I wonder if taxpayers elsewhere will alter councils’ decisions to increase council tax?
I would hazard a guess that Herefordshire Council’s decision to increase council tax by 1.9% will not be welcomed by most people in the county. Herefordshire is one of 81 councils to announce an increase in council tax so far. More will probably follow suit. However, 40 councils have announced increases of 2% or more. This should trigger referendums in the areas affected, but so far I have not heard of one council that has declared a referendum. Hopefully, Mr Pickles will intervene? 15 councils have announced rises of 3.5% or more. They are Breckland 7.8%; North Dorset 4.77%; East Lindsey 4.4%; South Cambridgeshire 4.3%; South Kesteven 4%; Exeter 4%; Swansea 3.8%; Manchester 3.7%; Huntingdonshire 3.63%; Runnymede 3.62%; Ashford 3.55%; Bolton 3.5%; Oldham 3.5%; Rochdale 3.5%; South Hams 3.5% Littlewhitebull stated that Cornwall’s councillors reversed the decision to increase their own allowances after Cornish taxpayers vented their feelings. I wonder if taxpayers elsewhere will alter councils’ decisions to increase council tax? wyesider

10:56pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Mr.Herefordian says...

What's going on we elect Councillors to represent us and then they abstain,
What is the point, they should resign and let someone who can vote yes or no. So much for the mojority of the independents sitting on the fence.
What's going on we elect Councillors to represent us and then they abstain, What is the point, they should resign and let someone who can vote yes or no. So much for the mojority of the independents sitting on the fence. Mr.Herefordian

12:41am Tue 19 Feb 13

bobby47 says...

Good Lord! Hereford Enterprise Zone Ltd.
It's getting worse. I wouldn't bloody mind so much if things were just depressing but this nemesis of ours is increasing the level of rat excrement we are stood in and making things depressingly bloody awful.
Why is Jarvis doing this? Why is he fixated on forming limited companies?
Hes so bloody resilient!
He won't go. He'll never go. Hes a formidable adversary and he ain't for throwing in his hand.
Honestly, if I was fishing down the Wye and Jarvis approached being carried by the Wye current and he shouted pleadingly, 'Save me. Im on my way to bloody Avonmouth', I'd shout, 'Get stuffed Jarvis Im ledgering for Barbel'.
When I first started this bloody Posting I read the writings of Lukio, TWG and the other old hands and I foolishly concluded, 'We'll soon get rid of him'
Well I was wrong. Hopelessly wrong. He feeds on our hostility and he's invigorated by our opposition to his plans and grand design, which is, to destroy Hereford completely.
And what happens when the Monsoon seasons arrives and we're all bloody under water again. He'll scurry down the Yazor bloody Brooke pipe, pull out the vegetation and off we go again.
Every bloody day is worse than the last and its all his fault.
He won't go! He'll never leave us and I've gotta get help!
Good Lord! Hereford Enterprise Zone Ltd. It's getting worse. I wouldn't bloody mind so much if things were just depressing but this nemesis of ours is increasing the level of rat excrement we are stood in and making things depressingly bloody awful. Why is Jarvis doing this? Why is he fixated on forming limited companies? Hes so bloody resilient! He won't go. He'll never go. Hes a formidable adversary and he ain't for throwing in his hand. Honestly, if I was fishing down the Wye and Jarvis approached being carried by the Wye current and he shouted pleadingly, 'Save me. Im on my way to bloody Avonmouth', I'd shout, 'Get stuffed Jarvis Im ledgering for Barbel'. When I first started this bloody Posting I read the writings of Lukio, TWG and the other old hands and I foolishly concluded, 'We'll soon get rid of him' Well I was wrong. Hopelessly wrong. He feeds on our hostility and he's invigorated by our opposition to his plans and grand design, which is, to destroy Hereford completely. And what happens when the Monsoon seasons arrives and we're all bloody under water again. He'll scurry down the Yazor bloody Brooke pipe, pull out the vegetation and off we go again. Every bloody day is worse than the last and its all his fault. He won't go! He'll never leave us and I've gotta get help! bobby47

6:57am Tue 19 Feb 13

JohnBoym458 says...

Just another nail in this beautiful counties coffin.........Why are we duped into voting for these idiotic people who call themselves councillors?????? There is no difference between Concillors, MP's and criminals, they all lie for their own gains......It really is sad to come home to Hfd and my family to see the place looking so shabby and the people of Hfd looking so unhappy........All due to a concil and government that is rotten to the core......
Just another nail in this beautiful counties coffin.........Why are we duped into voting for these idiotic people who call themselves councillors?????? There is no difference between Concillors, MP's and criminals, they all lie for their own gains......It really is sad to come home to Hfd and my family to see the place looking so shabby and the people of Hfd looking so unhappy........All due to a concil and government that is rotten to the core...... JohnBoym458

4:22pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Ubique5740 says...

Perhaps they are cutting jobs to squeeze the below in,copied from HCC website.

Letter from Jo Davidson, Director for People’s Services
Vacancies
Heads of Service (2 posts) £50,206-£54,412 per annum, plus
a market forces supplement of £1,401 per annum
a welcome payment of £5,000
a relocation package of up to £5,000
Service Managers (3 posts) £38,961-£42,747 per annum, plus
a welcome payment of £5,000
a relocation package of up to £5,000
Team Leaders (5 posts) £34,549-£38,042 per annum, plus
a welcome payment of £5,000
a relocation package of up to £5,000
Social Workers £26,276-£30,011 per annum. plus
a welcome payment of £5,000
a relocation package of up to £5,000
Perhaps they are cutting jobs to squeeze the below in,copied from HCC website. Letter from Jo Davidson, Director for People’s Services Vacancies Heads of Service (2 posts) £50,206-£54,412 per annum, plus a market forces supplement of £1,401 per annum a welcome payment of £5,000 a relocation package of up to £5,000 Service Managers (3 posts) £38,961-£42,747 per annum, plus a welcome payment of £5,000 a relocation package of up to £5,000 Team Leaders (5 posts) £34,549-£38,042 per annum, plus a welcome payment of £5,000 a relocation package of up to £5,000 Social Workers £26,276-£30,011 per annum. plus a welcome payment of £5,000 a relocation package of up to £5,000 Ubique5740

7:49am Wed 20 Feb 13

probono says...

I'd like a welcome package too. A welcome package and then a leaving gift when you stuff up and get booted out . What is the total of the so-called rendancy packages for top staff in last 5 years I wonder.
I'd like a welcome package too. A welcome package and then a leaving gift when you stuff up and get booted out . What is the total of the so-called rendancy packages for top staff in last 5 years I wonder. probono

9:36am Wed 20 Feb 13

Roger J says...

I think Jarvis & Co should take a serious look at this - http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-politics-21
511885
I think Jarvis & Co should take a serious look at this - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-21 511885 Roger J

8:21pm Wed 20 Feb 13

megilleland says...

From Daily Mirror 20th February 2013

'Dragged out of bed': Man dies after night-time arrest for not paying council tax

He was awoken by two officers who arrived at night to arrest him at a friend’s houseboa

A man collapsed and died after being arrested for not paying his council tax.

Steve Bore, 31, was awoken by two officers who arrived at night to arrest him at a friend’s houseboat.

He was thought to have fallen from the jetty on to a muddy embankment and then appeared to have a fit.

An ambulance was called shortly after midnight on Sunday but he was pronounced dead in Basildon General Hospital two hours later.

A caravan resident at Smallgains Marina, on Canvey Island, Essex, said: “He has epilepsy, I believe.

"Police came in the night and dragged him out of bed.”

The officers were on duty yesterday.

A postmortem was inconclusive and a probe has been launched by the Police Complaints Commission.

IPCC Commissioner, Mary Cunneen said: "I would like to extend my condolences to Mr Bore’s family and friends at this very difficult time.

"It is vital when someone dies in the custody of the police that an investigation is conducted independently of the force involved.

"I will ensure that we do all within our power to provide answers to the many questions that arise from this tragic and premature death.”

Is this the future for vulnerable people who cannot pay the rising council tax charges. Come April 1st with council tax bills arriving, bedroom tax, business rates and utility prices escalating I can see trouble ahead. Is this what our councillors want?
[quote]From Daily Mirror 20th February 2013 'Dragged out of bed': Man dies after night-time arrest for not paying council tax He was awoken by two officers who arrived at night to arrest him at a friend’s houseboa A man collapsed and died after being arrested for not paying his council tax. Steve Bore, 31, was awoken by two officers who arrived at night to arrest him at a friend’s houseboat. He was thought to have fallen from the jetty on to a muddy embankment and then appeared to have a fit. An ambulance was called shortly after midnight on Sunday but he was pronounced dead in Basildon General Hospital two hours later. A caravan resident at Smallgains Marina, on Canvey Island, Essex, said: “He has epilepsy, I believe. "Police came in the night and dragged him out of bed.” The officers were on duty yesterday. A postmortem was inconclusive and a probe has been launched by the Police Complaints Commission. IPCC Commissioner, Mary Cunneen said: "I would like to extend my condolences to Mr Bore’s family and friends at this very difficult time. "It is vital when someone dies in the custody of the police that an investigation is conducted independently of the force involved. "I will ensure that we do all within our power to provide answers to the many questions that arise from this tragic and premature death.”[/quote] Is this the future for vulnerable people who cannot pay the rising council tax charges. Come April 1st with council tax bills arriving, bedroom tax, business rates and utility prices escalating I can see trouble ahead. Is this what our councillors want? megilleland

8:24pm Wed 20 Feb 13

megilleland says...

Was the arrest warrant issued correctly through a court or was it processed through the council's administrative system which are illegal and operating throughout the UK?
Was the arrest warrant issued correctly through a court or was it processed through the council's administrative system which are illegal and operating throughout the UK? megilleland

8:57am Thu 21 Feb 13

dippyhippy says...

This is appalling. Hereford Council employ pretty heavy handed tactics when council tax is overdue. A friend of mine who had been made redundant,fortunatel
y found work again quite quickly,but much lower wage. He fell behind,was taken to court,£85. court costs on top, then received a formal letter asking for details where he worked, as they were going to stop what he owed at source.If he did not comply with this,they would send the bailiffs round. All this for £240.This guy works hard to support his young family. Do this council not realise what a struggle so many people are having just to keep their heads above water??
This is appalling. Hereford Council employ pretty heavy handed tactics when council tax is overdue. A friend of mine who had been made redundant,fortunatel y found work again quite quickly,but much lower wage. He fell behind,was taken to court,£85. court costs on top, then received a formal letter asking for details where he worked, as they were going to stop what he owed at source.If he did not comply with this,they would send the bailiffs round. All this for £240.This guy works hard to support his young family. Do this council not realise what a struggle so many people are having just to keep their heads above water?? dippyhippy

10:44am Thu 21 Feb 13

William Rudd says...

Anyone gone to buy the Hfd Times today? £1.20 !!!
They can stick it where the sun don't shine
Anyone gone to buy the Hfd Times today? £1.20 !!! They can stick it where the sun don't shine William Rudd

11:41am Thu 21 Feb 13

Werintrouble says...

I see the King has left and abdicated his crown.
Now what happens? Who's going to talk absolute rubbish, complete nonsense and drivel and tripe.
Littlewhitebull and Mizza spring to mind as being worthy successors.
I reckon the throne should go to the one who can prove they ain't friends with Mr Jarvis.
I see the King has left and abdicated his crown. Now what happens? Who's going to talk absolute rubbish, complete nonsense and drivel and tripe. Littlewhitebull and Mizza spring to mind as being worthy successors. I reckon the throne should go to the one who can prove they ain't friends with Mr Jarvis. Werintrouble

11:57am Thu 21 Feb 13

Ubique5740 says...

William, I am with you - how can the HT justify the rise. Be prepared for them to start charging to go on their website!
William, I am with you - how can the HT justify the rise. Be prepared for them to start charging to go on their website! Ubique5740

12:47pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Biomech says...

I still don't know how they get an expenses allowance in the tens of thousands. What the hell do they buy? My expenses claim doesn't even come to a fraction of that.

Oh and if anyone is interest, they are closing the Multistorey carpark for 25 weeks for refurbs. I would have commented on the article - but the HT haven't written one yet, so, as a dutyful citizen, I thought I'd give you the news myself :P
I still don't know how they get an expenses allowance in the tens of thousands. What the hell do they buy? My expenses claim doesn't even come to a fraction of that. Oh and if anyone is interest, they are closing the Multistorey carpark for 25 weeks for refurbs. I would have commented on the article - but the HT haven't written one yet, so, as a dutyful citizen, I thought I'd give you the news myself :P Biomech

1:06pm Thu 21 Feb 13

littlewhitebull says...

William Rudd wrote:
Anyone gone to buy the Hfd Times today? £1.20 !!!
They can stick it where the sun don't shine
Yes, William - I did. When I presented my 80p I got an enormous shock. "I need another 40p, pal," said the shop assistant.
"No," I replied, "I've got a Hereford Times, not the New York Times."
"Look at the price on the front," the assistant said.
"£1.20! What, is this April 1st, or have I been asleep for many years?" I asked completely bemused.
The shop assistant told me that many people had put the paper back on the pile and refused to pay a 50% increase.
Could the HT not have told us the price was to be increased?
Where is the explanation for this massive increase?
[quote][p][bold]William Rudd[/bold] wrote: Anyone gone to buy the Hfd Times today? £1.20 !!! They can stick it where the sun don't shine[/p][/quote]Yes, William - I did. When I presented my 80p I got an enormous shock. "I need another 40p, pal," said the shop assistant. "No," I replied, "I've got a Hereford Times, not the New York Times." "Look at the price on the front," the assistant said. "£1.20! What, is this April 1st, or have I been asleep for many years?" I asked completely bemused. The shop assistant told me that many people had put the paper back on the pile and refused to pay a 50% increase. Could the HT not have told us the price was to be increased? Where is the explanation for this massive increase? littlewhitebull

2:18pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Biomech says...

Wow a 50% price increase is pretty steep (even if it's only 40p). I wouldn't mind so much, but if the content on this website is anything to go by, I wouldn't be buying the HT in paperform.

Who knows though, maybe it's to support the new writers that they were recently advertising for. If the quality of the material goes up, I think a small price rise in response to that would be ok.
Wow a 50% price increase is pretty steep (even if it's only 40p). I wouldn't mind so much, but if the content on this website is anything to go by, I wouldn't be buying the HT in paperform. Who knows though, maybe it's to support the new writers that they were recently advertising for. If the quality of the material goes up, I think a small price rise in response to that would be ok. Biomech

4:57pm Thu 21 Feb 13

littlewhitebull says...

Biomech wrote:
I still don't know how they get an expenses allowance in the tens of thousands. What the hell do they buy? My expenses claim doesn't even come to a fraction of that.

Oh and if anyone is interest, they are closing the Multistorey carpark for 25 weeks for refurbs. I would have commented on the article - but the HT haven't written one yet, so, as a dutyful citizen, I thought I'd give you the news myself :P
Biomech - thanks for the info'. Any idea when this car park will close for the 25 week period, please?
[quote][p][bold]Biomech[/bold] wrote: I still don't know how they get an expenses allowance in the tens of thousands. What the hell do they buy? My expenses claim doesn't even come to a fraction of that. Oh and if anyone is interest, they are closing the Multistorey carpark for 25 weeks for refurbs. I would have commented on the article - but the HT haven't written one yet, so, as a dutyful citizen, I thought I'd give you the news myself :P[/p][/quote]Biomech - thanks for the info'. Any idea when this car park will close for the 25 week period, please? littlewhitebull

5:02pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Biomech says...

From the 11th March if I'm not mistaken
From the 11th March if I'm not mistaken Biomech

5:06pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Biomech says...

heh doesn't it sound much more when you consider 25 weeks is 6months.
heh doesn't it sound much more when you consider 25 weeks is 6months. Biomech

5:08pm Thu 21 Feb 13

wyesider says...

I bought the good old HT this morning along with other goods and didn't notice anything unusual. My wife noticed the price tag of £1.20. She thought it was a printing error, until we checked my receipt. The paper was 70p for a while then went up to 80p.
How can you juistify a price increase of 50%?
Having bought this newspaper for over 60 years, I now have a feeling that my wife and I will have to view via the website. Yet, as one person has already stated - it may be that a charge for viewing is introduced.
As far as I am aware, previous editions of the HT did not indicate a price rise, or the reason for a huge increase.
I bought the good old HT this morning along with other goods and didn't notice anything unusual. My wife noticed the price tag of £1.20. She thought it was a printing error, until we checked my receipt. The paper was 70p for a while then went up to 80p. How can you juistify a price increase of 50%? Having bought this newspaper for over 60 years, I now have a feeling that my wife and I will have to view via the website. Yet, as one person has already stated - it may be that a charge for viewing is introduced. As far as I am aware, previous editions of the HT did not indicate a price rise, or the reason for a huge increase. wyesider

5:24pm Thu 21 Feb 13

swampy says...

I am not paying a 50% rise, so my neighbours and I are sharing a copy between us, often the news is old anyway, so an extra day wont bother me. So lucky we have the Hereford Journal delivered, just as good, and delivered free of charge.
I am not paying a 50% rise, so my neighbours and I are sharing a copy between us, often the news is old anyway, so an extra day wont bother me. So lucky we have the Hereford Journal delivered, just as good, and delivered free of charge. swampy

5:24pm Thu 21 Feb 13

dippyhippy says...

No,it came as a complete surprise to me as well - if we have to pay to access this website,that really will be it !
No,it came as a complete surprise to me as well - if we have to pay to access this website,that really will be it ! dippyhippy

6:01pm Thu 21 Feb 13

moonhead66 says...

lets be honest, the amount of people buying papers is dropping all the time, what with blogs like this, twitter and facebook...

who ever owns the HT needs to rethink and adjust to the market needs and wants. or just get in touch with its readers.

its a shame we can cant encourage MNA Media to do an online version of the Journal.
lets be honest, the amount of people buying papers is dropping all the time, what with blogs like this, twitter and facebook... who ever owns the HT needs to rethink and adjust to the market needs and wants. or just get in touch with its readers. its a shame we can cant encourage MNA Media to do an online version of the Journal. moonhead66

6:04pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Biomech says...

You know what I would do...
Put the printed copy at £1.00 and digitise the HT to an online magazine style (maybe even a big overhaul of this website) which would be supplimented with ad space and intelligent ads (right now I see ads all over the place and 3 of the same ad!).

I would also develop the social media arm (actually is there one now?) to include bitsize news items over twitter and facebook.

The HT can only work so fast, there's a clever trick to creating instant, dynamic content content, but if I told them that I'd be out of a job ;P
You know what I would do... Put the printed copy at £1.00 and digitise the HT to an online magazine style (maybe even a big overhaul of this website) which would be supplimented with ad space and intelligent ads (right now I see ads all over the place and 3 of the same ad!). I would also develop the social media arm (actually is there one now?) to include bitsize news items over twitter and facebook. The HT can only work so fast, there's a clever trick to creating instant, dynamic content content, but if I told them that I'd be out of a job ;P Biomech

6:06pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Biomech says...

Sorry 5 adverts on this page all the same and with very little revenue inducing targets.
Sorry 5 adverts on this page all the same and with very little revenue inducing targets. Biomech

11:19am Fri 22 Feb 13

TwoWheelsGood says...

Or no adverts at all with AdBlock ...
Or no adverts at all with AdBlock ... TwoWheelsGood

2:42pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Ubique5740 says...

Drifting off the story......
I see in the cheaper Journal that HCC are intending to remove the lime trees from the grassed central reservation in Edgar St near to the "Tesco" island.
Not to date published in the HT , just wondering why. Is it a similar story to some which come out of HCC and elsewhere which are of public interest which the HT do not publish?
Drifting off the story...... I see in the cheaper Journal that HCC are intending to remove the lime trees from the grassed central reservation in Edgar St near to the "Tesco" island. Not to date published in the HT , just wondering why. Is it a similar story to some which come out of HCC and elsewhere which are of public interest which the HT do not publish? Ubique5740

4:20pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Biomech says...

I noticed that some "Save these tree's" signs went up earlier this week.

This is the planning application.

http://www.herefords
hire.gov.uk/housing/
planning/58286.aspx?
ID=130148

It's part of their decongestion scheme which I think, and I'm only making a logical guess, they are just going to remove that "island" so they can increase the number of lanes at the traffic light end to relieve the strain on Edgar Street (ie 3-4 lanes)
I noticed that some "Save these tree's" signs went up earlier this week. This is the planning application. http://www.herefords hire.gov.uk/housing/ planning/58286.aspx? ID=130148 It's part of their decongestion scheme which I think, and I'm only making a logical guess, they are just going to remove that "island" so they can increase the number of lanes at the traffic light end to relieve the strain on Edgar Street (ie 3-4 lanes) Biomech

6:02pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Interested Onlooker says...

Ubique5740 wrote:
Drifting off the story...... I see in the cheaper Journal that HCC are intending to remove the lime trees from the grassed central reservation in Edgar St near to the "Tesco" island. Not to date published in the HT , just wondering why. Is it a similar story to some which come out of HCC and elsewhere which are of public interest which the HT do not publish?
The story about the lime trees was the main story on page 5 of the Hereford Times dated Thursday, 21 February, with a large picture of the threatened trees and a picture of people protesting at their removal.

So how he can say it wasn't reported is baffling.
[quote][p][bold]Ubique5740[/bold] wrote: Drifting off the story...... I see in the cheaper Journal that HCC are intending to remove the lime trees from the grassed central reservation in Edgar St near to the "Tesco" island. Not to date published in the HT , just wondering why. Is it a similar story to some which come out of HCC and elsewhere which are of public interest which the HT do not publish?[/p][/quote]The story about the lime trees was the main story on page 5 of the Hereford Times dated Thursday, 21 February, with a large picture of the threatened trees and a picture of people protesting at their removal. So how he can say it wasn't reported is baffling. Interested Onlooker

9:51pm Sun 24 Feb 13

GDJ says...

Ubique5740 wrote:
Perhaps they are cutting jobs to squeeze the below in,copied from HCC website.

Letter from Jo Davidson, Director for People’s Services
Vacancies
Heads of Service (2 posts) £50,206-£54,412 per annum, plus
a market forces supplement of £1,401 per annum
a welcome payment of £5,000
a relocation package of up to £5,000
Service Managers (3 posts) £38,961-£42,747 per annum, plus
a welcome payment of £5,000
a relocation package of up to £5,000
Team Leaders (5 posts) £34,549-£38,042 per annum, plus
a welcome payment of £5,000
a relocation package of up to £5,000
Social Workers £26,276-£30,011 per annum. plus
a welcome payment of £5,000
a relocation package of up to £5,000
This reveals more than a failure in the past and present to plan the capacity of the workforce - leading to a situation where they feel they have to throw bribes at people to work here.

To me this also shows an archaic management think - that tall hierarchical structures work best.

Assuming only one level for social workers this indicates there will be

social workers - team leaders - service managers - heads of service - assistant directors - director - deputy Chief Exec and chief exec = potentially 8 layers through which orders will be passed down, and barriers to prevent inconvenient information getting up to the top. No modern, responsive organisation should be organised this way. Managers need to be much closer to the front line not sitting at Brockington looking at powerpoint structures and excel cost spreadsheets.

I bet if you asked the front line social workers, they would not say "what we need is several layers of management above us".
[quote][p][bold]Ubique5740[/bold] wrote: Perhaps they are cutting jobs to squeeze the below in,copied from HCC website. Letter from Jo Davidson, Director for People’s Services Vacancies Heads of Service (2 posts) £50,206-£54,412 per annum, plus a market forces supplement of £1,401 per annum a welcome payment of £5,000 a relocation package of up to £5,000 Service Managers (3 posts) £38,961-£42,747 per annum, plus a welcome payment of £5,000 a relocation package of up to £5,000 Team Leaders (5 posts) £34,549-£38,042 per annum, plus a welcome payment of £5,000 a relocation package of up to £5,000 Social Workers £26,276-£30,011 per annum. plus a welcome payment of £5,000 a relocation package of up to £5,000[/p][/quote]This reveals more than a failure in the past and present to plan the capacity of the workforce - leading to a situation where they feel they have to throw bribes at people to work here. To me this also shows an archaic management think - that tall hierarchical structures work best. Assuming only one level for social workers this indicates there will be social workers - team leaders - service managers - heads of service - assistant directors - director - deputy Chief Exec and chief exec = potentially 8 layers through which orders will be passed down, and barriers to prevent inconvenient information getting up to the top. No modern, responsive organisation should be organised this way. Managers need to be much closer to the front line not sitting at Brockington looking at powerpoint structures and excel cost spreadsheets. I bet if you asked the front line social workers, they would not say "what we need is several layers of management above us". GDJ

10:08pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Biomech says...

What the hell is a "welcome payment" - are youtelling me that they pay a bonus to someone before they do any work just for saying yes to the job position? Jesus Christ
What the hell is a "welcome payment" - are youtelling me that they pay a bonus to someone before they do any work just for saying yes to the job position? Jesus Christ Biomech

10:49pm Sun 24 Feb 13

WYSIATI says...

Do we want good staff to fill the posts or do we not?

I thought there was a wish for good quality staff from the frontline through to the management and to get away from having to use agency staff to fill posts that full time staff do not want to take because the pay is not enough to bring people here from other authorities.

Yeah, I'd love a load of excellent social workers to rock up from anywhere and move to Hereford for nothing save a lot of work and a load of abuse but I don't really think that's going to happen.

If we know how to do it better than the professionals working there then I hope we'll be applying for the jobs.
Do we want good staff to fill the posts or do we not? I thought there was a wish for good quality staff from the frontline through to the management and to get away from having to use agency staff to fill posts that full time staff do not want to take because the pay is not enough to bring people here from other authorities. Yeah, I'd love a load of excellent social workers to rock up from anywhere and move to Hereford for nothing save a lot of work and a load of abuse but I don't really think that's going to happen. If we know how to do it better than the professionals working there then I hope we'll be applying for the jobs. WYSIATI

11:17pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Biomech says...

I make more money for better, more enjoyable work where I am. Otherwise, I would probably consider it. But being paid to accept a job - Christ, I've never heard anything so ludicrous. The fact that someone has applied should be motivation enough, paying for applicants to take a job just reeks of desperation.
I make more money for better, more enjoyable work where I am. Otherwise, I would probably consider it. But being paid to accept a job - Christ, I've never heard anything so ludicrous. The fact that someone has applied should be motivation enough, paying for applicants to take a job just reeks of desperation. Biomech

12:16am Mon 25 Feb 13

TwoWheelsGood says...

In addition to the 'welcome package', what the hell is a a 'market forces supplement' of £1,401? This old argument of 'if we want quality we have to pay the market rate' is well past its sell by date - the Council trot this out each time they employ someone on a rate well above the PM's salary - its just a lie - they know it, we know it - the 'market rate' is for real jobs in the real world, not holed up in Brockington Bunker. Yes, pay the front line a good salary and, as GDJ says, get rid of this ridiculous multi-tired management structure.
In addition to the 'welcome package', what the hell is a a 'market forces supplement' of £1,401? This old argument of 'if we want quality we have to pay the market rate' is well past its sell by date - the Council trot this out each time they employ someone on a rate well above the PM's salary - its just a lie - they know it, we know it - the 'market rate' is for real jobs in the real world, not holed up in Brockington Bunker. Yes, pay the front line a good salary and, as GDJ says, get rid of this ridiculous multi-tired management structure. TwoWheelsGood

8:41am Mon 25 Feb 13

WYSIATI says...

I was thinking about that layered structure and thinking about the sort of work we're talking about here.

It's essential that each and every case that the social workers look at is properly and carefully assessed and that each and every decision made is crossed checked and risk assessed.

So you have a front line social worker working on a large number of cases - they have a team manager who supervises and organises a group of social workers - probably including training etc for those with less experience so far so good - above that you'd have a manager who is responsible for the group of teams and is therefore head of social work.

I would imagine that above that each person listed has multiple responsibilities - the where several services come together - and with the new reduced structure from 2011 the director (who typically in the past would have had either children or adult now has both (and public health?) and the chief exec has everything - not sure I can see what layers you want to cut out of that?

And TWG as far as I know these are jobs with serious responsibilities if there are huge numbers of highly qualified good people ready to do them where are they? I suspect it's a real market and at the moment the people are going elsewhere for more money.
I was thinking about that layered structure and thinking about the sort of work we're talking about here. It's essential that each and every case that the social workers look at is properly and carefully assessed and that each and every decision made is crossed checked and risk assessed. So you have a front line social worker working on a large number of cases - they have a team manager who supervises and organises a group of social workers - probably including training etc for those with less experience so far so good - above that you'd have a manager who is responsible for the group of teams and is therefore head of social work. I would imagine that above that each person listed has multiple responsibilities - the where several services come together - and with the new reduced structure from 2011 the director (who typically in the past would have had either children or adult now has both (and public health?) and the chief exec has everything - not sure I can see what layers you want to cut out of that? And TWG as far as I know these are jobs with serious responsibilities if there are huge numbers of highly qualified good people ready to do them where are they? I suspect it's a real market and at the moment the people are going elsewhere for more money. WYSIATI

10:38am Mon 25 Feb 13

mizza21 says...

Goodness gracious.
The noticeable thing there is that there's 3 highly paid jobs in management positions with large salaried attracted etc etc.
Then there's the social worker position (a job where someone does some actual work), modest salary albeit with a goldenish handshake.

Herefordshire is an attractive place to live. I live here and I can vouch for it being well nice and that.

The 5K up front is a sweetener, because the salary offered is only slightly above average. A qualified social worker may have to relocate too as HEREford is not exactly on the beaten track.

Thinning out mamangement is pretty much always a good idea.
I'd thin em out with a Bl00dy Machete.

(I was only kidding about the machete, just in case anyone takes offfence. It was a remark meant to illustrate my annoyance at managers justifying their oftimes superfluous positions at the expense of people what actually do work. I realise many managers are nice and have families and I wouldn't really want them dead with their head on a stake as a warning to the rest of em,, That would be barabaric)
Goodness gracious. The noticeable thing there is that there's 3 highly paid jobs in management positions with large salaried attracted etc etc. Then there's the social worker position (a job where someone does some actual work), modest salary albeit with a goldenish handshake. Herefordshire is an attractive place to live. I live here and I can vouch for it being well nice and that. The 5K up front is a sweetener, because the salary offered is only slightly above average. A qualified social worker may have to relocate too as HEREford is not exactly on the beaten track. Thinning out mamangement is pretty much always a good idea. I'd thin em out with a Bl00dy Machete. (I was only kidding about the machete, just in case anyone takes offfence. It was a remark meant to illustrate my annoyance at managers justifying their oftimes superfluous positions at the expense of people what actually do work. I realise many managers are nice and have families and I wouldn't really want them dead with their head on a stake as a warning to the rest of em,, That would be barabaric) mizza21

11:15am Mon 25 Feb 13

GDJ says...

WYSIATI wrote:
I was thinking about that layered structure and thinking about the sort of work we're talking about here. It's essential that each and every case that the social workers look at is properly and carefully assessed and that each and every decision made is crossed checked and risk assessed. So you have a front line social worker working on a large number of cases - they have a team manager who supervises and organises a group of social workers - probably including training etc for those with less experience so far so good - above that you'd have a manager who is responsible for the group of teams and is therefore head of social work. I would imagine that above that each person listed has multiple responsibilities - the where several services come together - and with the new reduced structure from 2011 the director (who typically in the past would have had either children or adult now has both (and public health?) and the chief exec has everything - not sure I can see what layers you want to cut out of that? And TWG as far as I know these are jobs with serious responsibilities if there are huge numbers of highly qualified good people ready to do them where are they? I suspect it's a real market and at the moment the people are going elsewhere for more money.
WYSIATI,
A thoughtful post as always.

I suppose my point is that the current senior management are locked into a way of thinking that has to have all those layers - it isn't a structure specific to the needs of social work - you will also find heads of service etc in the education side. I would have more confidence if a truly independent expert had diagnosed what was going wrong. What structures do the best performing authorities with similar areas have? What processes and procedures have been shown to work well? If you start from a blank piece of paper rather than patching up your existing structure you might do better in the long term.

Also, I would hope (but don't expect) the recruitment to start at the bottom. There is no point in having more middle and upper managers successfully recruited if they still don't have the actual social workers to supervise. The managers should only be recruited after the social workers are in place.
[quote][p][bold]WYSIATI[/bold] wrote: I was thinking about that layered structure and thinking about the sort of work we're talking about here. It's essential that each and every case that the social workers look at is properly and carefully assessed and that each and every decision made is crossed checked and risk assessed. So you have a front line social worker working on a large number of cases - they have a team manager who supervises and organises a group of social workers - probably including training etc for those with less experience so far so good - above that you'd have a manager who is responsible for the group of teams and is therefore head of social work. I would imagine that above that each person listed has multiple responsibilities - the where several services come together - and with the new reduced structure from 2011 the director (who typically in the past would have had either children or adult now has both (and public health?) and the chief exec has everything - not sure I can see what layers you want to cut out of that? And TWG as far as I know these are jobs with serious responsibilities if there are huge numbers of highly qualified good people ready to do them where are they? I suspect it's a real market and at the moment the people are going elsewhere for more money.[/p][/quote]WYSIATI, A thoughtful post as always. I suppose my point is that the current senior management are locked into a way of thinking that has to have all those layers - it isn't a structure specific to the needs of social work - you will also find heads of service etc in the education side. I would have more confidence if a truly independent expert had diagnosed what was going wrong. What structures do the best performing authorities with similar areas have? What processes and procedures have been shown to work well? If you start from a blank piece of paper rather than patching up your existing structure you might do better in the long term. Also, I would hope (but don't expect) the recruitment to start at the bottom. There is no point in having more middle and upper managers successfully recruited if they still don't have the actual social workers to supervise. The managers should only be recruited after the social workers are in place. GDJ

11:27am Mon 25 Feb 13

Biomech says...

It's things like this that are increasingly building a culture of football player managers*.

Someone is scared that they won't get the job filled so they throw money at it. The next person raises the bar, then the next, then the next, until you have a football culture where everyone is paid a ridiculous sum of money purely down to fear. It's already well established in the banking world.

(Many many years ago, the world cup was leering and Britains most sensational player was primed for an appearance. Then the Columbians bought him for a large sum of money. In order to prevent the same thing happening again, football players wages went up - and up - and up - and up - and you know the rest)
It's things like this that are increasingly building a culture of football player managers*. Someone is scared that they won't get the job filled so they throw money at it. The next person raises the bar, then the next, then the next, until you have a football culture where everyone is paid a ridiculous sum of money purely down to fear. It's already well established in the banking world. (Many many years ago, the world cup was leering and Britains most sensational player was primed for an appearance. Then the Columbians bought him for a large sum of money. In order to prevent the same thing happening again, football players wages went up - and up - and up - and up - and you know the rest) Biomech

11:28am Mon 25 Feb 13

Biomech says...

To add;

I have no problems with a bonus, but you give a bonus AFTER a success. Not before and certainly not just for taking a job.
To add; I have no problems with a bonus, but you give a bonus AFTER a success. Not before and certainly not just for taking a job. Biomech

11:46am Mon 25 Feb 13

littlewhitebull says...

I do agree with Biomech concerning bonuses. A bonus should only be awarded after a person has achieved the goal set as a bonus requirement. It has become increasingly the case that bonuses are actually contractual elements regardless of the level of work achieved.
My experience of bonuses in the workplace has been that you have to work hard to achieve the targets and standards set. If the target was met and the standard passed muster - then you you were awarded your bonus.
Under-achievement was not rewarded.
This made you work hard and ensure your work was of good quality. A sound business proposition, in my opinion.
I do agree with Biomech concerning bonuses. A bonus should only be awarded after a person has achieved the goal set as a bonus requirement. It has become increasingly the case that bonuses are actually contractual elements regardless of the level of work achieved. My experience of bonuses in the workplace has been that you have to work hard to achieve the targets and standards set. If the target was met and the standard passed muster - then you you were awarded your bonus. Under-achievement was not rewarded. This made you work hard and ensure your work was of good quality. A sound business proposition, in my opinion. littlewhitebull

3:49pm Mon 25 Feb 13

dippyhippy says...

Having spent almost 25 years working on the frontline, I can categorically state that I have never had a bonus. I am lucky to sometimes get a thankyou! I was certaintly never offered a "welcome package" This could be worse - a few years ago.some"senior managers" were sent abroad on a recruitment drive,at least there not spreading the net that wide now! Imagine the cost of a relocation package from New Zealand!!???
Having spent almost 25 years working on the frontline, I can categorically state that I have never had a bonus. I am lucky to sometimes get a thankyou! I was certaintly never offered a "welcome package" This could be worse - a few years ago.some"senior managers" were sent abroad on a recruitment drive,at least there not spreading the net that wide now! Imagine the cost of a relocation package from New Zealand!!??? dippyhippy

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