Petition started to repair road between Bishops Frome and Burley Gate

Ledbury Reporter: Villagers living near this 'road' in Burley Gate have sent a petition to Herefordshire Council. Villagers living near this 'road' in Burley Gate have sent a petition to Herefordshire Council.

A PETITION has been sent to Herefordshire Council pleading for action to be taken to repair the road that connects two rural villages.

People living near Bishops Frome and Burley Gate have counted 190 pot holes on a road that they say has not seen maintenance workers for at least a generation.

Sophie Pudge, who lives on the affected lane, claimed: “Every resident I have spoken to has contacted the council during the last couple of years for it to be repaired and we are at the end of our tether.

“You can get your wheels stuck in the mud if you’re not in a 4x4 and you have to drive right up against the hedges and fields.”

During the past two months, the Hereford Times has reported on a number of roads that have been blighted by pot holes and, according to readers, it seems the situation has only deteriorated during the recent cold snap.

Zoe Short called to say that the roads around Pudlestone remain in a poor condition while Melanie Lloyd, from Kington, said she could not understand why other counties cope better.

“My son had to replace his alloy wheels after hitting a very bad pothole on the Hoarwithy road to Little Dewchurch,” she added.

As well as in more rural spots of the county, many pot holes have also been spotted in Hereford.

Even major routes such as Three Elms Road, the Aylestone Hill roundabout and the inner ring road outside Tesco are affected.

Alton Road, in Ross-on-Wye, proves the problem also affects market towns.

Alan Hurcombe, from Madley, has set up a Facebook page, called Herefordshire Pot Hole Watch where people can state which roads are particularly bad.

However one Herefordshire councillor is looking into the problem.

Coun Jim Kenyon said that he will be conducting a pothole inspection in the Tupsley area of Hereford soon.

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2:35pm Fri 29 Mar 13

Mr.Herefordian says...

Well Amey has been busy in my area
"Repairing" craters, the only problem is these "Repairs" only last a few weeks as they are usually carried out with a shovel and a boot.
Well Amey has been busy in my area "Repairing" craters, the only problem is these "Repairs" only last a few weeks as they are usually carried out with a shovel and a boot. Mr.Herefordian
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3:13pm Fri 29 Mar 13

TwoWheelsGood says...

A few weeks = a quality repair! The last repair I saw on Ledbury Road lasted 5 days, they came back after I kicked up a bit of a fuss, same thing, failing already. I reported the Aylestone Hill roundabout as well - nada, zilch, nothing.

A Councillor looking into a hole?
A few weeks = a quality repair! The last repair I saw on Ledbury Road lasted 5 days, they came back after I kicked up a bit of a fuss, same thing, failing already. I reported the Aylestone Hill roundabout as well - nada, zilch, nothing. A Councillor looking into a hole? TwoWheelsGood
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4:18pm Fri 29 Mar 13

William Rudd says...

If you reported it to Hfd Council then you are wasting your time TWG.You should contact the highways agency as this road is there responsibility.
If you reported it to Hfd Council then you are wasting your time TWG.You should contact the highways agency as this road is there responsibility. William Rudd
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8:19pm Fri 29 Mar 13

TwoWheelsGood says...

Really? It's not a trunk road like the A49, so why is the A4103 their responsibility?
Really? It's not a trunk road like the A49, so why is the A4103 their responsibility? TwoWheelsGood
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12:45pm Sat 30 Mar 13

littlewhitebull says...

Link to this post stated: "Petition started to repair road with 190 pot holes."
I realise I'm being very pedantic - but I do hope the council don't think this means 'create' 190 pot holes.
Surely nobody could be that daft? Well, possibly only me!
Link to this post stated: "Petition started to repair road with 190 pot holes." I realise I'm being very pedantic - but I do hope the council don't think this means 'create' 190 pot holes. Surely nobody could be that daft? Well, possibly only me! littlewhitebull
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7:53pm Sat 30 Mar 13

Herefordian says...

There is a pothole page on facebook now

https://www.facebook
.com/groups/hfdspoth
olewatch/
There is a pothole page on facebook now https://www.facebook .com/groups/hfdspoth olewatch/ Herefordian
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10:08pm Sat 30 Mar 13

TwoWheelsGood says...

Shame you have to sign up to Facebork to access it - why can't it be open like the other local pages? I realise you wouldn't be able to post, but no harm in reading ...
Shame you have to sign up to Facebork to access it - why can't it be open like the other local pages? I realise you wouldn't be able to post, but no harm in reading ... TwoWheelsGood
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11:35pm Sat 30 Mar 13

CAH123 says...

Some of the roads probably are the responsibility of the Highways Agency but if a member of the public has taken the trouble to contact the Council, surely that Council should forward on the public complaint to said Highways Agency??
Some of the roads probably are the responsibility of the Highways Agency but if a member of the public has taken the trouble to contact the Council, surely that Council should forward on the public complaint to said Highways Agency?? CAH123
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11:39am Sun 31 Mar 13

Mr.Herefordian says...

No the council don't pass on reports, the A49 is highway agency if you want to report a crater on roads or paths phone Amey 845900 at Hereford.
No the council don't pass on reports, the A49 is highway agency if you want to report a crater on roads or paths phone Amey 845900 at Hereford. Mr.Herefordian
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3:09pm Sun 31 Mar 13

Biomech says...

You can make a claim against the council for any damages caused bypot holes.

Have a google or remind me when I get back and ill post the link
You can make a claim against the council for any damages caused bypot holes. Have a google or remind me when I get back and ill post the link Biomech
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3:18pm Mon 1 Apr 13

WYSIATI says...

Round here the roads are literally collapsing - it's nothing to do with shoddy maintenance or the way holes have been filled in - it's the weather, the rain and large vehicles that the roads were not designed to handle. Where trucks and vans drive off the side of the tarmac they are breaking the edges down, pretty soon with the deluges we've had you get a river down the side that carries off loose materials and cuts a canyon.

I know it's more fun to blame the council and I am sure that Amey could do a better job - but the weather has been truly exceptional - brick and stone walls are breaking up with the freezing/thawing. Central Govt really needs to take this one on - it's a bit like watching someone with a flooded house and saying "you should think about touching up the paintwork a bit more often".

Biomech wants to have more of the money the council doesn't have - the other idea - a non starter I realise - how about driving a bit slower and bit more carefully, not only reducing chances of any damage but also saving some cash on the fuel?
Round here the roads are literally collapsing - it's nothing to do with shoddy maintenance or the way holes have been filled in - it's the weather, the rain and large vehicles that the roads were not designed to handle. Where trucks and vans drive off the side of the tarmac they are breaking the edges down, pretty soon with the deluges we've had you get a river down the side that carries off loose materials and cuts a canyon. I know it's more fun to blame the council and I am sure that Amey could do a better job - but the weather has been truly exceptional - brick and stone walls are breaking up with the freezing/thawing. Central Govt really needs to take this one on - it's a bit like watching someone with a flooded house and saying "you should think about touching up the paintwork a bit more often". Biomech wants to have more of the money the council doesn't have - the other idea - a non starter I realise - how about driving a bit slower and bit more carefully, not only reducing chances of any damage but also saving some cash on the fuel? WYSIATI
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3:34pm Mon 1 Apr 13

Biomech says...

Because the roads are so bad it is now unavoidable.

I pay a lot of road tax for the roads for the service of maintaining the roads - this is not being done. Sure the weather doesn't help, but it's not the weathers fault that cheap temporary materials are used and shoddy worksmanship occurs.

In any other industry when you pay for a service you you continually fail to receive there are very big consequences.

Peoples vehicles are being damaged by the bad roads that need to be fixed. We pay for them to be fixed, it is the council/HA responsibility to fix them. So when I receive damages due to their negligence, then yes, I will be claiming. Does it take someone to die for something to be done? I'm sure you'll recall several months ago a young women hit a pothole that flipped her van into a tree - she was fortunate to get out alive.

Pot holes aren't always easy to see, and you can't drive around the county at 5mph. While I agree that people should always drive caustiously - at all times - you're comment is akin to telling victims of car theft not to park on the roads outside their houses.

And for everyone else, you can make a claim here:

https://beta.herefor
dshire.gov.uk/transp
ort-and-highways/mai
ntenance/roads-pavem
ents-personal-injury
/

and have a look here:

http://potholes.co.u
k/claims/how_to_clai
m
Because the roads are so bad it is now unavoidable. I pay a lot of road tax for the roads for the service of maintaining the roads - this is not being done. Sure the weather doesn't help, but it's not the weathers fault that cheap temporary materials are used and shoddy worksmanship occurs. In any other industry when you pay for a service you you continually fail to receive there are very big consequences. Peoples vehicles are being damaged by the bad roads that need to be fixed. We pay for them to be fixed, it is the council/HA responsibility to fix them. So when I receive damages due to their negligence, then yes, I will be claiming. Does it take someone to die for something to be done? I'm sure you'll recall several months ago a young women hit a pothole that flipped her van into a tree - she was fortunate to get out alive. Pot holes aren't always easy to see, and you can't drive around the county at 5mph. While I agree that people should always drive caustiously - at all times - you're comment is akin to telling victims of car theft not to park on the roads outside their houses. And for everyone else, you can make a claim here: https://beta.herefor dshire.gov.uk/transp ort-and-highways/mai ntenance/roads-pavem ents-personal-injury / and have a look here: http://potholes.co.u k/claims/how_to_clai m Biomech
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6:35pm Mon 1 Apr 13

TwoWheelsGood says...

Biomech - sorry to disagree with you, but you don't pay 'road tax' (it was abolished in 1937) - you pay Vehicle Excise Duty, which is effectively a pollution tax and bears no relation to the expenditure on highways. We do pay council tax, part of which is for the upkeep of roads, and it is clear that this isn't being done. It’s a sad and mad world where the Council would rather people damage their vehicles and claim against them than properly manage the infrastructure that we pay them to do.

In the opening paragraph of Herefordshire Council's Highway Maintenance Plan of April 2007, it states 'The highways network is, by far, the single most valuable asset that the Council owns, with an estimated replacement value in excess of £2 billion.' Is this how we should be managing such a high value and essential asset?
Biomech - sorry to disagree with you, but you don't pay 'road tax' (it was abolished in 1937) - you pay Vehicle Excise Duty, which is effectively a pollution tax and bears no relation to the expenditure on highways. We do pay council tax, part of which is for the upkeep of roads, and it is clear that this isn't being done. It’s a sad and mad world where the Council would rather people damage their vehicles and claim against them than properly manage the infrastructure that we pay them to do. In the opening paragraph of Herefordshire Council's Highway Maintenance Plan of April 2007, it states 'The highways network is, by far, the single most valuable asset that the Council owns, with an estimated replacement value in excess of £2 billion.' Is this how we should be managing such a high value and essential asset? TwoWheelsGood
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1:19am Tue 2 Apr 13

alanmh says...

if anyone wants to send details of potholes to be included in the facebook page (who isn't a facebook member) then send them to the group address
hfdspotholewatch@gro
ups.facebook.com
if anyone wants to send details of potholes to be included in the facebook page (who isn't a facebook member) then send them to the group address hfdspotholewatch@gro ups.facebook.com alanmh
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12:16pm Tue 2 Apr 13

incider says...

A good way of reporting pot-holes is via http://www.fillthath
ole.org.uk/hazards/r
eport which is linked to 'The Cyclists Touring Club', a National Cycling Charity.
A good way of reporting pot-holes is via http://www.fillthath ole.org.uk/hazards/r eport which is linked to 'The Cyclists Touring Club', a National Cycling Charity. incider
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1:25pm Wed 3 Apr 13

s.cowell says...

or use fixmystreet.com - worked for us the last several times.
The roads in Leominster are shocking too!! The council have just replaced some of the main road by the Barons cross pub/morrisons however they seemed to have 'missed' the major potholes just up the street that the stop/go man must have been stood on?
very strange (or lazy)...
or use fixmystreet.com - worked for us the last several times. The roads in Leominster are shocking too!! The council have just replaced some of the main road by the Barons cross pub/morrisons however they seemed to have 'missed' the major potholes just up the street that the stop/go man must have been stood on? very strange (or lazy)... s.cowell
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1:50pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Biomech says...

Thanks for the info Twowheels, makes sense with the variance in tax dependant on vehicle emmissions - I guess it's one of those things that you'd know if you'd actually thought about it :) Interesting though, that pollution was a concern back in 1937!

Obviousy, however, the point remains that we, in one way or another, pay for the service of maintaining the road and do not receive an acceptable service. It would be interesting to see where someone like trading standards sit on this.

I've been thinking recently too, that a good group of people to ask about road conditions would be ambulance drivers, as they have to drive the roads with e paramedic in the back administering life saving actions while on the move.
Thanks for the info Twowheels, makes sense with the variance in tax dependant on vehicle emmissions - I guess it's one of those things that you'd know if you'd actually thought about it :) Interesting though, that pollution was a concern back in 1937! Obviousy, however, the point remains that we, in one way or another, pay for the service of maintaining the road and do not receive an acceptable service. It would be interesting to see where someone like trading standards sit on this. I've been thinking recently too, that a good group of people to ask about road conditions would be ambulance drivers, as they have to drive the roads with e paramedic in the back administering life saving actions while on the move. Biomech
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10:05am Thu 4 Apr 13

WYSIATI says...

Like much of public service provision there is a systemic problem that there are budgets planned and agreed in advance and then things change.

Last year in March they were confidently predicting a drought and what we got was 12 months of some of the worst wet weather followed by serious freeze-thaw damage to the roads. The damage went through the roof but the resources to do anything about it did not.

Same effect with more children coming into care (and adults needing social care) we expect the system to cope.

Any private business faced with increasing demand would expect increasing money - I rarely see companies volunteering to cover the additional costs themselves. You don't see the PFI contract holders coughing up to cover the shortfalls at hospitals.

The more services we see privatised the more we'll see requests for contract variations to cover unexpected increases in demand - it's dealing with the difficult stuff that is the key issue - not maximising efficiency for the bog standard, easy stuff.

(if you're a bank obviously you pay big bonuses, lean on the taxpayer and tell us that you couldn't possibly pay less for all that talent, if you're SSE you pay paltry fines and carry on, if you're G4S you fail to deliver and take the slap on the wrists - making a mess of things is a universal human failing)
Like much of public service provision there is a systemic problem that there are budgets planned and agreed in advance and then things change. Last year in March they were confidently predicting a drought and what we got was 12 months of some of the worst wet weather followed by serious freeze-thaw damage to the roads. The damage went through the roof but the resources to do anything about it did not. Same effect with more children coming into care (and adults needing social care) we expect the system to cope. Any private business faced with increasing demand would expect increasing money - I rarely see companies volunteering to cover the additional costs themselves. You don't see the PFI contract holders coughing up to cover the shortfalls at hospitals. The more services we see privatised the more we'll see requests for contract variations to cover unexpected increases in demand - it's dealing with the difficult stuff that is the key issue - not maximising efficiency for the bog standard, easy stuff. (if you're a bank obviously you pay big bonuses, lean on the taxpayer and tell us that you couldn't possibly pay less for all that talent, if you're SSE you pay paltry fines and carry on, if you're G4S you fail to deliver and take the slap on the wrists - making a mess of things is a universal human failing) WYSIATI
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12:12pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Biomech says...

I think the thing that annoys people most - in fact second to the work not being done - is that when they do do it, they do it badly. That one on Tesco roundabout has to be refilled every couple of weeks. If they just spent the money on some proper materials they wouldn't need to waste the man power and resources constantly going back to fix it again and again.
I think the thing that annoys people most - in fact second to the work not being done - is that when they do do it, they do it badly. That one on Tesco roundabout has to be refilled every couple of weeks. If they just spent the money on some proper materials they wouldn't need to waste the man power and resources constantly going back to fix it again and again. Biomech
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12:55pm Thu 4 Apr 13

WYSIATI says...

Biomech - on that we agree - do it properly. I don't know enough about the engineering but my experience is that it's extremely difficult to fix holes in the road - we used to live on a lane that slowly became a patchwork of filled holes, all breaking down around the edges, all made worse when the weather turned.

Past a certain point the only option is to replace the road section but that presumably costs the earth and is way beyond the available budget.

Didn't HT have an article last year on some magic truck system that came along and injected hot tar under pressure to fix holes well and quickly? What happened to that or did it not deliver?
Biomech - on that we agree - do it properly. I don't know enough about the engineering but my experience is that it's extremely difficult to fix holes in the road - we used to live on a lane that slowly became a patchwork of filled holes, all breaking down around the edges, all made worse when the weather turned. Past a certain point the only option is to replace the road section but that presumably costs the earth and is way beyond the available budget. Didn't HT have an article last year on some magic truck system that came along and injected hot tar under pressure to fix holes well and quickly? What happened to that or did it not deliver? WYSIATI
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1:07pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Biomech says...

Not sure, but I know that there have been pot hole specialists who have approached the council to no avail, such as http://www.highway-m
aintenance.ronacrete
.co.uk/details/16824
/ronaroad-greenpatch
-pothole-repair.5677
/
Not sure, but I know that there have been pot hole specialists who have approached the council to no avail, such as http://www.highway-m aintenance.ronacrete .co.uk/details/16824 /ronaroad-greenpatch -pothole-repair.5677 / Biomech
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