Families’ fears over county care services for most vulnerable

Parents, carers and councillors attend a meeting about the future of St Owen’s Centre in Portfields, Hereford.

Parents, carers and councillors attend a meeting about the future of St Owen’s Centre in Portfields, Hereford.

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RELATIVES of some of the most vulnerable groups in society have expressed their concerns over the future of county care services.

The lack of information regarding proposed changes to adult day care has left many fearing the worst.

This week, those with relatives at Norfolk House sheltered accommodation in Leominster and the St Owen Centre in Hereford spoke out.

Both services are currently managed by Wye Valley NHS Trust on behalf of Herefordshire Council.

The local authority has now entered a period of consultation with service users before it commissions day care opportunities for adults later this year.

A meeting held at the St Owen Centre on Wednesday morning was designed to inform carers and family how the changes will affect service users.

David Mason, spokesman for the council at the meeting, admitted “communication has been poor” but assured attendees that the services would still be run until individual assessments of each service user had been completed.

Jaci Hope, from Fownhope, has an autistic son who receives support from St Owen Centre staff.

She was one of many attending yesterday who feared staff numbers will be reduced, causing a “knockon effect in every aspect”.

Councillor Marcelle Lloyd- Hayes, a member of the county’s health and wellbeing committee, agreed that there was a severe lack of available information for all concerned.

Shooters Bar in Leominster does, however, claim to know some of the changes affecting Norfolk House.

Staff set up an online Facebook campaign to halt changes, they say, will be made to kitchens at the home.

The campaign states: “For the elderly community what it does mean is no more fresh meals for the pensioners that have always paid their dues.”

Wendy Corfield’s father has been living at Norfolk House for three years and she has attended consultation meetings this week.

She said: “My concern is that they are destroying a fantastic facility for the elderly when they should be using it as a model of excellence.”

Councillor Graham Powell, cabinet member for health and wellbeing, said Herefordshire Council is talking to people who use these services to find out what they would like to see provided in the future.

“We are not stopping anything,” he added.

“What’s happening is we currently have an arrangement with the Wye Valley NHS Trust and in September that’s coming to an end.

“Staff are coming back to us and services will carry on but it’s actually a great opportunity.

“The aim is to encourage new developments and provide more activities and services so that people have more choice and control over their care, using their personal budget.

“We have been holding a number of public meetings to discuss options with members of the public.

“Following these discussions, we will put together recommendations for cabinet to consider when it meets on July 25.”

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4:19pm Fri 21 Jun 13

drjazz says...

These people and the rest of us in Herefordshire should be worried. Only the services that the Council have to provide by law will continue. It's fine to say that people will have more choice and control over what they choose to do but if there are no services left for them to choose from how is that better? The most vulnerable members of our society are, in the main, voiceless and invisible and often cannot speak out in their own defence.
These people and the rest of us in Herefordshire should be worried. Only the services that the Council have to provide by law will continue. It's fine to say that people will have more choice and control over what they choose to do but if there are no services left for them to choose from how is that better? The most vulnerable members of our society are, in the main, voiceless and invisible and often cannot speak out in their own defence. drjazz
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8:06pm Fri 21 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Here we have it. This is where the fight really begins. Some of us have been aware for a while about how this,the most vulnerable of groups are set to be targeted. We have to come together, we have to voice our concerns loudly,make ourselves heard. These people can't do it themselves.
If we allow this to happen without putting up a fight, it will reflect very poorly on this so called caring society.
I would call on our councillors and MP's to spend a day at St. Owens, or Barrs Court,or the Tan Brook centre,or Ledbury Road respite, and see for themselves the fantastic work that is done.
Here we have it. This is where the fight really begins. Some of us have been aware for a while about how this,the most vulnerable of groups are set to be targeted. We have to come together, we have to voice our concerns loudly,make ourselves heard. These people can't do it themselves. If we allow this to happen without putting up a fight, it will reflect very poorly on this so called caring society. I would call on our councillors and MP's to spend a day at St. Owens, or Barrs Court,or the Tan Brook centre,or Ledbury Road respite, and see for themselves the fantastic work that is done. dippyhippy
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8:12pm Fri 21 Jun 13

bobby47 says...

Well said both of you. This is more important than any other issue facing our communities across Hereford.
Well said both of you. This is more important than any other issue facing our communities across Hereford. bobby47
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9:54pm Fri 21 Jun 13

Captain scarlett says...

bobby47 wrote:
Well said both of you. This is more important than any other issue facing our communities across Hereford.
I wholeheartedly agree. The Youngsters from Barrs Court were an inspiration at the Fresh show at The Courtyard tonight and we must group together to fight to protect services for the most vulnerable in our society. We are also a centre for people with visual impairment in this country and need to use this fact to highlight across the UK what our council is up to. If we cannot serve the vulnerable then we don't deserve to call ourselves civilised.
[quote][p][bold]bobby47[/bold] wrote: Well said both of you. This is more important than any other issue facing our communities across Hereford.[/p][/quote]I wholeheartedly agree. The Youngsters from Barrs Court were an inspiration at the Fresh show at The Courtyard tonight and we must group together to fight to protect services for the most vulnerable in our society. We are also a centre for people with visual impairment in this country and need to use this fact to highlight across the UK what our council is up to. If we cannot serve the vulnerable then we don't deserve to call ourselves civilised. Captain scarlett
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11:22pm Fri 21 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Let us not allow the council to try to water down the impact on this cut in service. They will tell us that statutory services will remain. What they are not quite so quick to highlight is the fact that they will not be delivered in the same way.Lets not forget that some services,for example,respite care,are not statutory,yet this provision is what enables many families to keep going,in the most difficult of circumstances.If this lifeline is removed,I dread to think of the impact on families who are already struggling,and already feel isolated from the rest of society.
This issue needs everybody to get on board.If you have never posted before,now is the time to speak up.
Let us not allow the council to try to water down the impact on this cut in service. They will tell us that statutory services will remain. What they are not quite so quick to highlight is the fact that they will not be delivered in the same way.Lets not forget that some services,for example,respite care,are not statutory,yet this provision is what enables many families to keep going,in the most difficult of circumstances.If this lifeline is removed,I dread to think of the impact on families who are already struggling,and already feel isolated from the rest of society. This issue needs everybody to get on board.If you have never posted before,now is the time to speak up. dippyhippy
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10:13am Sat 22 Jun 13

bobby47 says...

Dippy, Wonderful battle cry. If this thread of news doesn't get a high number of Posts it'll be very disappointing and perhaps question our ability or real sincerity toward this highly important social issue.
We know Graham will be following this thread of news so lets give him some views to put before the Council cabinet.
Please respond to Dippy's call and help the weak and the vulnerable who's future is in the hands of others.
Come on. We can make a difference to this outcome.
Dippy, Wonderful battle cry. If this thread of news doesn't get a high number of Posts it'll be very disappointing and perhaps question our ability or real sincerity toward this highly important social issue. We know Graham will be following this thread of news so lets give him some views to put before the Council cabinet. Please respond to Dippy's call and help the weak and the vulnerable who's future is in the hands of others. Come on. We can make a difference to this outcome. bobby47
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11:06am Sat 22 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Hi Bobby, I truly hope so.
Whilst I have concerns about libraries and toilets etc. nothing, but nothing should be more impotant than this group of people.
If we cannot prioritise the needs of the vulnerable,the elderley, the disabled above public conveniences and bin collections, then there is something seriously wrong.
This will affect people's lives in ways that few of us can appreciate.
I know I have said this before, but once these services go, they will be gone for good.
Hi Bobby, I truly hope so. Whilst I have concerns about libraries and toilets etc. nothing, but nothing should be more impotant than this group of people. If we cannot prioritise the needs of the vulnerable,the elderley, the disabled above public conveniences and bin collections, then there is something seriously wrong. This will affect people's lives in ways that few of us can appreciate. I know I have said this before, but once these services go, they will be gone for good. dippyhippy
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11:08am Sat 22 Jun 13

bobby47 says...

Dippy, if this thread of news does not hit a very respectable number of Posts for Graham to read, I'd honesty consider throwing in my hand. It's that important. I do hope we all gather together and rise to the occasion.
Take care old friend.
Dippy, if this thread of news does not hit a very respectable number of Posts for Graham to read, I'd honesty consider throwing in my hand. It's that important. I do hope we all gather together and rise to the occasion. Take care old friend. bobby47
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11:15am Sat 22 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Bobby, I feel exactly the same way.
More than Link Roads going nowhere, un-wanted shopping centres,parking charges at Halo or losing a DIY store, this is the issue that SHOULD be gettting folk up in arms.
If it doesn't , then maybe this forum isn't the place I thought it was......
Bobby, I feel exactly the same way. More than Link Roads going nowhere, un-wanted shopping centres,parking charges at Halo or losing a DIY store, this is the issue that SHOULD be gettting folk up in arms. If it doesn't , then maybe this forum isn't the place I thought it was...... dippyhippy
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3:56pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Themightyboosh says...

lets not also forget the "widemarsh" woodworking shop on foley trading estate.
and canal rd day centre.
witch both will be closing i can assure you.
and as for a lack of imformation.
well the council are trying to keep it quiet and rush this through before anyone has time to object because they realise just what a terrible thing they are doing.
unless they change the date again this will all be over and done by sept 23rd.
lets not also forget the "widemarsh" woodworking shop on foley trading estate. and canal rd day centre. witch both will be closing i can assure you. and as for a lack of imformation. well the council are trying to keep it quiet and rush this through before anyone has time to object because they realise just what a terrible thing they are doing. unless they change the date again this will all be over and done by sept 23rd. Themightyboosh
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4:01pm Sat 22 Jun 13

bobby47 says...

The Boosh, Well done my friend. It's time to go to war!
The Boosh, Well done my friend. It's time to go to war! bobby47
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4:24pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Themightyboosh says...

just a quick thought

the money they have spent on the rockfield car park would pay for all adult social care for 2 years.
the road to nowhere would pay for 9 years.

there are some really screwed up priorities in the upper council.
just a quick thought the money they have spent on the rockfield car park would pay for all adult social care for 2 years. the road to nowhere would pay for 9 years. there are some really screwed up priorities in the upper council. Themightyboosh
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4:27pm Sat 22 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Boosh,well done for highlighting this,I had heard about the Canal Road Centre,but not Widemarsh Workshop,which has been going for years. The council will quite happily push this through and not make a peep. They want us kept in the dark.
They know that the people most affected by this have no voice - its up to us to draw attention to this,quite honestly,criminal act.
Boosh,well done for highlighting this,I had heard about the Canal Road Centre,but not Widemarsh Workshop,which has been going for years. The council will quite happily push this through and not make a peep. They want us kept in the dark. They know that the people most affected by this have no voice - its up to us to draw attention to this,quite honestly,criminal act. dippyhippy
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4:28pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Themightyboosh says...

by the way there are only 20 carer posts in our councils new new plan to be implemented in september.

so you can pretty much work out how many will get day care:(
by the way there are only 20 carer posts in our councils new new plan to be implemented in september. so you can pretty much work out how many will get day care:( Themightyboosh
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4:40pm Sat 22 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

They keep wittering on about "personal budgets" and "buying in the services they need".Its a bad joke really.
Many parents of disabled children are elderly themselves. Their children are in there 20's,30's or 40's and still being cared for at home,by exhausted parents who are saving the council God knows how much by caring for them at home. They don't WANT the hassle of employing P.A's or buying in services. They would like a few hours when there "child" can go somewhere where they will be safe, with staff who know them.
Its the same right across the board. When are we going to wake up and smell the coffee on this one??
They keep wittering on about "personal budgets" and "buying in the services they need".Its a bad joke really. Many parents of disabled children are elderly themselves. Their children are in there 20's,30's or 40's and still being cared for at home,by exhausted parents who are saving the council God knows how much by caring for them at home. They don't WANT the hassle of employing P.A's or buying in services. They would like a few hours when there "child" can go somewhere where they will be safe, with staff who know them. Its the same right across the board. When are we going to wake up and smell the coffee on this one?? dippyhippy
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6:29pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Themightyboosh says...

the trouble is the prats at the top look at building costs ect and think thats a quick save lets close it.
but they have no idea of the knock on costs.
think of
the families that will not cope.the loved ones that will be put in to care.and the poor bas##rds that will be left to rot.

and the purely monetary costs.
more hospital admissions
more in care home costs.
and more in mental health care
when the parents/families/spo
uses can not cope any more.
and where are these places to go when the day centres are shut.
with specialist care facilities. hoists..ect
can anyone on the council or anyone at all please tell me.
the trouble is the prats at the top look at building costs ect and think thats a quick save lets close it. but they have no idea of the knock on costs. think of the families that will not cope.the loved ones that will be put in to care.and the poor bas##rds that will be left to rot. and the purely monetary costs. more hospital admissions more in care home costs. and more in mental health care when the parents/families/spo uses can not cope any more. and where are these places to go when the day centres are shut. with specialist care facilities. hoists..ect can anyone on the council or anyone at all please tell me. Themightyboosh
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6:38pm Sat 22 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

I agree Boosh, the council are throwing stones into the pond,and they don't care bout the ripples that is going to cause.
Its always struck me,that it makes no financial sense when children(and I know that on this thread we are talking about adult services) are sent to out of county residential provisions,at a cost sometimes of £250,000. Why can't we set this sort of setting up here?? Its so stressful for parents to have there disabled kids sent miles and miles away.
This council seem to be completely unable to comprehend the effect their decisions have.
I agree Boosh, the council are throwing stones into the pond,and they don't care bout the ripples that is going to cause. Its always struck me,that it makes no financial sense when children(and I know that on this thread we are talking about adult services) are sent to out of county residential provisions,at a cost sometimes of £250,000. Why can't we set this sort of setting up here?? Its so stressful for parents to have there disabled kids sent miles and miles away. This council seem to be completely unable to comprehend the effect their decisions have. dippyhippy
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6:41pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Themightyboosh says...

here you go William Rudd instead of spouting useless contrary posts
how about you tell me about how many toilet facilities in private hands "which is all that will be left soon" have hoist facilities/how many disabled toilets there are and where and a list of groups people with disabilities can go to with specalist support?
here you go William Rudd instead of spouting useless contrary posts how about you tell me about how many toilet facilities in private hands "which is all that will be left soon" have hoist facilities/how many disabled toilets there are and where and a list of groups people with disabilities can go to with specalist support? Themightyboosh
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6:51pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Themightyboosh says...

dippyhippy wrote:
I agree Boosh, the council are throwing stones into the pond,and they don't care bout the ripples that is going to cause.
Its always struck me,that it makes no financial sense when children(and I know that on this thread we are talking about adult services) are sent to out of county residential provisions,at a cost sometimes of £250,000. Why can't we set this sort of setting up here?? Its so stressful for parents to have there disabled kids sent miles and miles away.
This council seem to be completely unable to comprehend the effect their decisions have.
its because they are totaly insulated from this problem.
it does not affect them.
they do not care.
the effect will be down the line when they are not here.
and if they get it wrong they still get there money and run.

just look at jarvis....he did all this and his mates still made him a job.

there is no responsability at these levels when all you have to answer to is yourself.
[quote][p][bold]dippyhippy[/bold] wrote: I agree Boosh, the council are throwing stones into the pond,and they don't care bout the ripples that is going to cause. Its always struck me,that it makes no financial sense when children(and I know that on this thread we are talking about adult services) are sent to out of county residential provisions,at a cost sometimes of £250,000. Why can't we set this sort of setting up here?? Its so stressful for parents to have there disabled kids sent miles and miles away. This council seem to be completely unable to comprehend the effect their decisions have.[/p][/quote]its because they are totaly insulated from this problem. it does not affect them. they do not care. the effect will be down the line when they are not here. and if they get it wrong they still get there money and run. just look at jarvis....he did all this and his mates still made him a job. there is no responsability at these levels when all you have to answer to is yourself. Themightyboosh
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8:12pm Sat 22 Jun 13

bobby47 says...

There is a simplicity to what The Boosh says, it's to the point and its so sadly true. They've no idea what the impact of their decisions mean to the weak, the poor, the vulnerable and the disadvantaged.
On the one hand we are blasting away trying to encourage some debate and on the other, we've got a Councillor celebrating his ascendency to Mayor and barely able to contain his joy.
Isn't this world such a selfish, self indulgent, me, me, bloody me place that is fun and rewarding to a few and harsh and sad for the many who, for one reason or another, don't get celebrated because they don't have the tools to climb the slippery pole to wealth, glory and bloody celebration.
They'll sever their ties and bonds to the poor and defenceless and still continue to fund the rich, the celebrated and the freeloaders of this Council, Hoople, Hereford Futures and Stanhope and not for a single moment will they think,'This isn't right. It's unfair and its immoral.'
Shame on them all.
There is a simplicity to what The Boosh says, it's to the point and its so sadly true. They've no idea what the impact of their decisions mean to the weak, the poor, the vulnerable and the disadvantaged. On the one hand we are blasting away trying to encourage some debate and on the other, we've got a Councillor celebrating his ascendency to Mayor and barely able to contain his joy. Isn't this world such a selfish, self indulgent, me, me, bloody me place that is fun and rewarding to a few and harsh and sad for the many who, for one reason or another, don't get celebrated because they don't have the tools to climb the slippery pole to wealth, glory and bloody celebration. They'll sever their ties and bonds to the poor and defenceless and still continue to fund the rich, the celebrated and the freeloaders of this Council, Hoople, Hereford Futures and Stanhope and not for a single moment will they think,'This isn't right. It's unfair and its immoral.' Shame on them all. bobby47
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11:07pm Sat 22 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Sadly, I don't think our esteemed council leaders have any sense of shame.
Where is the duty of care???
What has happened to doing the right thing by people, JUST because it IS the right thing,and not some way of raising your political profile,scoring points or getting your photo in the Hereford Times?
Surely we owe this group of people more?
Sadly, I don't think our esteemed council leaders have any sense of shame. Where is the duty of care??? What has happened to doing the right thing by people, JUST because it IS the right thing,and not some way of raising your political profile,scoring points or getting your photo in the Hereford Times? Surely we owe this group of people more? dippyhippy
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11:47pm Sat 22 Jun 13

flamboyant says...

If they cut the management structure there might be some money left in the budget to divert to this valuable service. Check out an FOI request on the following link.
Maybe if they decreased the management structure there would be more money in the budget for this valuable and necessary service.

https://www.whatdoth
eyknow.com/request/s
aleries_by_service_a
rea#incoming-401205

I am definitely losing the will to live! The more I see and hear the more I dispair of this farce that is Herefordshire Council.
If they cut the management structure there might be some money left in the budget to divert to this valuable service. Check out an FOI request on the following link. Maybe if they decreased the management structure there would be more money in the budget for this valuable and necessary service. https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/s aleries_by_service_a rea#incoming-401205 I am definitely losing the will to live! The more I see and hear the more I dispair of this farce that is Herefordshire Council. flamboyant
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12:20pm Sun 23 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Flamboyant,keep going matey! As Bobby has said previously,we need new posters.Those of us who have been at this for a while,quite frankly,get a little knackered! Myself included!
That said,your comment on the Rockfield thread has thrown me a crumb of hope,and I shall continue to post my views.
To be honest,whatever the future brings, I would not want to look back and think,
" I said nothing. All of this was un-folding around me,and I said nothing."
I couldn't live with myself if I didn't make my concerns known.
Surely we ALL have a responsibility to try to protect this group of people?
None of us know what the future holds for us,it really is a case of ,"There but for the grace of whoever your God may be."
I would like to think,that if ever I,or a family member reuired this level of care and support,that it would be there.The outcome if not,is too frightening to think about.....
Flamboyant,keep going matey! As Bobby has said previously,we need new posters.Those of us who have been at this for a while,quite frankly,get a little knackered! Myself included! That said,your comment on the Rockfield thread has thrown me a crumb of hope,and I shall continue to post my views. To be honest,whatever the future brings, I would not want to look back and think, " I said nothing. All of this was un-folding around me,and I said nothing." I couldn't live with myself if I didn't make my concerns known. Surely we ALL have a responsibility to try to protect this group of people? None of us know what the future holds for us,it really is a case of ,"There but for the grace of whoever your God may be." I would like to think,that if ever I,or a family member reuired this level of care and support,that it would be there.The outcome if not,is too frightening to think about..... dippyhippy
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3:01pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Ubique5740 says...

David Mason, spokesman for the council at the meeting, admitted “communication has been poor” but assured attendees that the services would still be run until individual assessments of each service user had been completed.
Not sure what he means - if he means that the "old people " of which I must show an interest have not communicated with him - than I am not surprised.
I have just returned from seeing my 91 yr old mother who is in a very good care home in Buckinghamshire , as long as she is fed , watered , clean and tidy her life is wonderful so she has nothing to say . If the management of change is handled incorrectly then both her and I would have a lot to say.
Whilst it good to get in first with our feelings I feel that the Council should have ( if they have not already ! )a plan in place prior to making public statements which will make hugh changes and / or upset a lot of people.
I say to the Council - if you have to make savings think hard before you muck about with the elderly,disabled and less fortunate in life.
David Mason, spokesman for the council at the meeting, admitted “communication has been poor” but assured attendees that the services would still be run until individual assessments of each service user had been completed. Not sure what he means - if he means that the "old people " of which I must show an interest have not communicated with him - than I am not surprised. I have just returned from seeing my 91 yr old mother who is in a very good care home in Buckinghamshire , as long as she is fed , watered , clean and tidy her life is wonderful so she has nothing to say . If the management of change is handled incorrectly then both her and I would have a lot to say. Whilst it good to get in first with our feelings I feel that the Council should have ( if they have not already ! )a plan in place prior to making public statements which will make hugh changes and / or upset a lot of people. I say to the Council - if you have to make savings think hard before you muck about with the elderly,disabled and less fortunate in life. Ubique5740
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4:10pm Sun 23 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Afternoon Ubique! I was wondering where you were! Littlewhitebull seems to have gone AWOL as well this week! Hope everything is OK with him.
I am glad to hear that your Mum is happy and well cared for.Like you, I have found this article to make for pretty dismal reading.
I am afraid I don't have much faith in these "assessment of needs." One family I know of have a "child" (an adult in years) who requires 2:1 staffing,as their learning disability is very severe,and this can make behaviour unpredictable to say the least,and on occasion,quite violent.After much form filling,they have now been told that their child needs to attend a "fitness to work" interview.......it absolutely beggars belief.
Afternoon Ubique! I was wondering where you were! Littlewhitebull seems to have gone AWOL as well this week! Hope everything is OK with him. I am glad to hear that your Mum is happy and well cared for.Like you, I have found this article to make for pretty dismal reading. I am afraid I don't have much faith in these "assessment of needs." One family I know of have a "child" (an adult in years) who requires 2:1 staffing,as their learning disability is very severe,and this can make behaviour unpredictable to say the least,and on occasion,quite violent.After much form filling,they have now been told that their child needs to attend a "fitness to work" interview.......it absolutely beggars belief. dippyhippy
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5:58pm Sun 23 Jun 13

drjazz says...

OK then posters.....we've all had a say about how we can't believe what "they" are doing to our most vulnerable neighbours. It's no good just talking about this situation. WE need to decide what WE will actually DO to help OUR community. If anyone is well-versed in challenges that are not illegal to this action could you give some pointers as to what WE must DO.
OK then posters.....we've all had a say about how we can't believe what "they" are doing to our most vulnerable neighbours. It's no good just talking about this situation. WE need to decide what WE will actually DO to help OUR community. If anyone is well-versed in challenges that are not illegal to this action could you give some pointers as to what WE must DO. drjazz
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6:15pm Sun 23 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Hi drjazz,
I don't know about other posters,but I have written to our esteemed MP,for all the good that does,and on a practical level,support several families that this impacts on. Wether thats help with form filling,telephone calls or providing respite so that carers/parents can attend meetings. This is volountary on my part,and completely separate from my employed work.
What we need,and what I hear will be organised in the not too distant future, is a protest, to bring this to as many people's attention as possible.
Please post your own suggestions,this is obviously a subject that means as much to you as it does to me..
Hi drjazz, I don't know about other posters,but I have written to our esteemed MP,for all the good that does,and on a practical level,support several families that this impacts on. Wether thats help with form filling,telephone calls or providing respite so that carers/parents can attend meetings. This is volountary on my part,and completely separate from my employed work. What we need,and what I hear will be organised in the not too distant future, is a protest, to bring this to as many people's attention as possible. Please post your own suggestions,this is obviously a subject that means as much to you as it does to me.. dippyhippy
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6:22pm Sun 23 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

As an after thought, although there have been quite a few posts on here, only seven posters have taken part in this discussion.....not great for an issue as important as this.
As an after thought, although there have been quite a few posts on here, only seven posters have taken part in this discussion.....not great for an issue as important as this. dippyhippy
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9:34pm Sun 23 Jun 13

M M says...

This is a terrible situation, There has been an outcry about the possible closing of the libraries, these protesters were very vocal whereas the elderly, people with learning difficulties and their carers are unable to protest, so are easy targets for the cuts. It's time the salaries of the top Council Officials, was investigated and exposed.
The rich get rich, while the sick and weak suffer
Have they not got consciences?
This is a terrible situation, There has been an outcry about the possible closing of the libraries, these protesters were very vocal whereas the elderly, people with learning difficulties and their carers are unable to protest, so are easy targets for the cuts. It's time the salaries of the top Council Officials, was investigated and exposed. The rich get rich, while the sick and weak suffer Have they not got consciences? M M
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10:24pm Sun 23 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

You are quite right in your comment MM, parents and carers are too busy and too tired to put up a sustained fight.They are indeed a soft target.
Its interesting that when the library cuts were announced,so many people were so quick to send letters,post comments, etc.-and I don't deny for one minute that cuts to these services won't have an impact-and yet,for this group of people,support seems to be somewhat lacking.
What does that say about our society??
You are quite right in your comment MM, parents and carers are too busy and too tired to put up a sustained fight.They are indeed a soft target. Its interesting that when the library cuts were announced,so many people were so quick to send letters,post comments, etc.-and I don't deny for one minute that cuts to these services won't have an impact-and yet,for this group of people,support seems to be somewhat lacking. What does that say about our society?? dippyhippy
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10:41pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Captain scarlett says...

dippyhippy wrote:
Let us not allow the council to try to water down the impact on this cut in service. They will tell us that statutory services will remain. What they are not quite so quick to highlight is the fact that they will not be delivered in the same way.Lets not forget that some services,for example,respite care,are not statutory,yet this provision is what enables many families to keep going,in the most difficult of circumstances.If this lifeline is removed,I dread to think of the impact on families who are already struggling,and already feel isolated from the rest of society.
This issue needs everybody to get on board.If you have never posted before,now is the time to speak up.
I think that until you need care services, most people have no idea how much is needed. I was lucky when my father needed full time professional residential care, a relative knew how to get the funding and he lived comfortably until his death. I am also aware of a friend who is completely blind who was told to sit down for an interview and treated with contempt when he asked 'where shall I sit'. He literally sees nothing and had no idea where the chair was. This is how people are treated in Herefordshire. The council also failed to consult on refurbishments in High Town and Widemarsh Street. Every time they change the layout, blind people have to relearn their routes around town.

We need someone in the know to tell us what is being cut, publicise thise widely and campaign vigorously against the cuts. Unfortunately, too few are aware and even fewer will see these posts.
[quote][p][bold]dippyhippy[/bold] wrote: Let us not allow the council to try to water down the impact on this cut in service. They will tell us that statutory services will remain. What they are not quite so quick to highlight is the fact that they will not be delivered in the same way.Lets not forget that some services,for example,respite care,are not statutory,yet this provision is what enables many families to keep going,in the most difficult of circumstances.If this lifeline is removed,I dread to think of the impact on families who are already struggling,and already feel isolated from the rest of society. This issue needs everybody to get on board.If you have never posted before,now is the time to speak up.[/p][/quote]I think that until you need care services, most people have no idea how much is needed. I was lucky when my father needed full time professional residential care, a relative knew how to get the funding and he lived comfortably until his death. I am also aware of a friend who is completely blind who was told to sit down for an interview and treated with contempt when he asked 'where shall I sit'. He literally sees nothing and had no idea where the chair was. This is how people are treated in Herefordshire. The council also failed to consult on refurbishments in High Town and Widemarsh Street. Every time they change the layout, blind people have to relearn their routes around town. We need someone in the know to tell us what is being cut, publicise thise widely and campaign vigorously against the cuts. Unfortunately, too few are aware and even fewer will see these posts. Captain scarlett
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11:14pm Sun 23 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Thats an absolute embarrassment when we are home to The Royal National College For The Blind.
Desicions have been made.Boosh posted earlier,that the date for change/closure at one establishment was September 20th.
This hasn't just happened,this has been on the cards for a while.Unfortunately,
unless you are personally involved in this issue,the majority don't get involved.
Thats an absolute embarrassment when we are home to The Royal National College For The Blind. Desicions have been made.Boosh posted earlier,that the date for change/closure at one establishment was September 20th. This hasn't just happened,this has been on the cards for a while.Unfortunately, unless you are personally involved in this issue,the majority don't get involved. dippyhippy
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6:48am Mon 24 Jun 13

Ubique5740 says...

We can hope that the HT use some of these excellent Posts in next Thursdays hard copy of the HT on their Letters page .
If they do it will further highlight the very serious concerns that the Public have.
It appears that some Cllrs are noticeable by their apparent absence on this storyline - this must make us suspicious that they know more than is being said.
We can hope that the HT use some of these excellent Posts in next Thursdays hard copy of the HT on their Letters page . If they do it will further highlight the very serious concerns that the Public have. It appears that some Cllrs are noticeable by their apparent absence on this storyline - this must make us suspicious that they know more than is being said. Ubique5740
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10:39am Mon 24 Jun 13

reecheddarchick says...

At last people are begining to open their eyes to what the Council has been trying to sneak under the wire, and whilst we're here worrying and trying to support the vulnerable people in our county...certain high up, well paid members of staff who have helped push a lot of these decisions/directions have gone on holiday for most of the month!!!
At last people are begining to open their eyes to what the Council has been trying to sneak under the wire, and whilst we're here worrying and trying to support the vulnerable people in our county...certain high up, well paid members of staff who have helped push a lot of these decisions/directions have gone on holiday for most of the month!!! reecheddarchick
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5:08pm Mon 24 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Thanks for posting reecheddarchick, every comment is valuable.
A months holiday?
Christ,if only that were an option in my world.......!
Thanks for posting reecheddarchick, every comment is valuable. A months holiday? Christ,if only that were an option in my world.......! dippyhippy
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11:39am Tue 25 Jun 13

bobby47 says...

Nine of us. Bloody nine Posters. Good grief we have lost our way and, it seems our interest as well.
Nine of us. Bloody nine Posters. Good grief we have lost our way and, it seems our interest as well. bobby47
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1:16pm Tue 25 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Yep.Disappointing isn't it - hardly the mass show of support I was hoping this story would generate.
Seems that books and bins really do meam more to the majority.
How truly depressing..........
Yep.Disappointing isn't it - hardly the mass show of support I was hoping this story would generate. Seems that books and bins really do meam more to the majority. How truly depressing.......... dippyhippy
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6:38pm Tue 25 Jun 13

bobby47 says...

A story about potholes has generated nine Posters to leave a comment.
This piece of news has done equally as well, which, I guess, tells us something about us.
I thought we were better than this. I really did. We ain't. We ain't that good at all.
To think we've invested so much of our time and energy into this.
No wonder we are where we are. If we can't stand up for our fellow brothers and sisters who are less fortunate than ourselves, then we really are spitting into the wind.
Shameful!
A story about potholes has generated nine Posters to leave a comment. This piece of news has done equally as well, which, I guess, tells us something about us. I thought we were better than this. I really did. We ain't. We ain't that good at all. To think we've invested so much of our time and energy into this. No wonder we are where we are. If we can't stand up for our fellow brothers and sisters who are less fortunate than ourselves, then we really are spitting into the wind. Shameful! bobby47
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7:08pm Tue 25 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

I feel ......demoralised by this.
I am not exiting stage left,never to return to the HT forum,but I am going to take a break and gather my thoughts.
Speak again soon. Take care of yourself.
I feel ......demoralised by this. I am not exiting stage left,never to return to the HT forum,but I am going to take a break and gather my thoughts. Speak again soon. Take care of yourself. dippyhippy
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7:20pm Tue 25 Jun 13

bobby47 says...

Dippy, see you mate. I'm taking a break as well. I've taken this personally which is actually ridiculous.
Dippy, see you mate. I'm taking a break as well. I've taken this personally which is actually ridiculous. bobby47
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9:06pm Tue 25 Jun 13

M M says...

Please don't give up, there are so many that care, it's just that they are busy caring for the elderly, or vulnerable, we must fight for them. Obviously this is what the Council would want no one protesting at the proposed cuts
Please don't give up, there are so many that care, it's just that they are busy caring for the elderly, or vulnerable, we must fight for them. Obviously this is what the Council would want no one protesting at the proposed cuts M M
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10:10pm Tue 25 Jun 13

flamboyant says...

Bobby47 & Dippy don't give up your not wasting your time, trust me!


HALF LIFE


Do not reach the end of

Yet another day and say

It was enough

To merely hold your demons

Just at bay, for that is

Half a life you're living -

Never will that be OK.

Give breath to passion's spark

And hearken to that discontented

Voice inside that bids you rise,

For sometimes,

Don't you ever dare to think:

A shorter life is worth the risk

To be the fullness of its gift?
Bobby47 & Dippy don't give up your not wasting your time, trust me! HALF LIFE Do not reach the end of Yet another day and say It was enough To merely hold your demons Just at bay, for that is Half a life you're living - Never will that be OK. Give breath to passion's spark And hearken to that discontented Voice inside that bids you rise, For sometimes, Don't you ever dare to think: A shorter life is worth the risk To be the fullness of its gift? flamboyant
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10:23pm Tue 25 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Oh Flamboyant! Naughty naughty,appealing to my love of poetry!
Thankyou,and MM,for those kind words.
I think I can probably speak for Bobby as well when I say,its bloody exhausting getting this worked up all the time!
There are probably folk who read these posts,and think
"That bloody Dippy again - haven't they got anythin better to do??"
Well,yes,I have plenty.
A full time job,very demanding.
A family,equally as demanding!
Voluntary commitments to others who rely on the little bit help I can provide.
And try to have a bit of a life!
But this issue is SO very important, I really felt as if the whole of Hereford should have posted a comment.
Daft isn't it.
If that many people cared that much, we probably wouldn't live in the society that we do.
As I said, I am not leaving,just having a break. I will return when the batteries are fully charged,and when William Rudd has the good grace to thank me for his poem!!!
Blimey Will,manners cost nothing,it was a gift!!
Oh Flamboyant! Naughty naughty,appealing to my love of poetry! Thankyou,and MM,for those kind words. I think I can probably speak for Bobby as well when I say,its bloody exhausting getting this worked up all the time! There are probably folk who read these posts,and think "That bloody Dippy again - haven't they got anythin better to do??" Well,yes,I have plenty. A full time job,very demanding. A family,equally as demanding! Voluntary commitments to others who rely on the little bit help I can provide. And try to have a bit of a life! But this issue is SO very important, I really felt as if the whole of Hereford should have posted a comment. Daft isn't it. If that many people cared that much, we probably wouldn't live in the society that we do. As I said, I am not leaving,just having a break. I will return when the batteries are fully charged,and when William Rudd has the good grace to thank me for his poem!!! Blimey Will,manners cost nothing,it was a gift!! dippyhippy
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9:53am Wed 26 Jun 13

reecheddarchick says...

There are a lot of people out there who do care and have cared for the vulnerable people this is going to effect. Its just their putting all their fight in to trying to keep their own jobs or at least some kind of job, because they've got families they need to support. The whole process that these workers are being dragged through has left a lot of people feeling battered and bruised, and unsure where to go from here, they dont see anyone backing them up, even the HT hasnt reported half of whats going on, its only because these families have stood up and spoken out that HT has taken notice. We need more of this support for services and staff, they may work for the Council but the people they are trying to get rid of and the services they are closing play a vital part in the care and support for vulnerable people.

Also people dont tend to read the website they by the actual paper so they dont get to see the support on here or maybe people have just given up because they dont think it will make any difference...if so thats a shame and we'll be heading down a very slippery slope!!!
There are a lot of people out there who do care and have cared for the vulnerable people this is going to effect. Its just their putting all their fight in to trying to keep their own jobs or at least some kind of job, because they've got families they need to support. The whole process that these workers are being dragged through has left a lot of people feeling battered and bruised, and unsure where to go from here, they dont see anyone backing them up, even the HT hasnt reported half of whats going on, its only because these families have stood up and spoken out that HT has taken notice. We need more of this support for services and staff, they may work for the Council but the people they are trying to get rid of and the services they are closing play a vital part in the care and support for vulnerable people. Also people dont tend to read the website they by the actual paper so they dont get to see the support on here or maybe people have just given up because they dont think it will make any difference...if so thats a shame and we'll be heading down a very slippery slope!!! reecheddarchick
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9:55am Wed 26 Jun 13

reecheddarchick says...

Excuse the errors I’m trying to multi task and it’s not working very well!!
Excuse the errors I’m trying to multi task and it’s not working very well!! reecheddarchick
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10:53pm Thu 27 Jun 13

dippyhippy says...

Absolutely no apology necessary reecheddarchick.
This thread has just about run its course,so thankyou, for your contribution,and all the other truly heartfelt posts and comments on here.
The fight WILL go on!
Absolutely no apology necessary reecheddarchick. This thread has just about run its course,so thankyou, for your contribution,and all the other truly heartfelt posts and comments on here. The fight WILL go on! dippyhippy
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