New Hereford betting shop would be sixth for city centre

New Hereford betting shop would be sixth for city centre

Hereford bookmakers - The former Jingo & Phase Eight stores on St. Peters Street which Paddy Power is moving in to. (5754185)

Hereford bookmakers - William Hill on St. Peters Street (5754181)

Hereford bookmakers - Coral on Widemarsh Street (5754177)

Hereford bookmakers - Stan James on Commercial Street (5754179)

Hereford bookmakers - Coral on St. Owen Street (5754188)

First published in News

PADDY Power is currently applying for a license for a new city centre location that, if successful, would see five bookmakers operating within a 500-metre radius of High Town.

New legislation proposed last week will give councils more power to refuse high street bookies planning permission, particularly when there is seen to be a high number of betting shops in a certain area.

However those measures will not come in before the consultation period for the proposed St Peter's Street Paddy Power closes on May 19.

Communities minister Stephen Williams said: “Across the country many people are concerned about the explosion in the number of betting shops in some high streets.

“This is why we are now giving councils tough new powers to prevent the proliferation of betting shops in their area.”

There was only one objection when in January Herefordshire Council passed a change of use application, allowing the shops previously occupied by Phase Eight and Jingo to be converted.

Under current classifications, the buildings were changed to A2; a catch-all definition for financial services such as banks and estate agencies, as well as bookies, that is being scrapped under the new regulations.

Paddy Power then applied for a license, with the consultation period opening on April 22.

Paddy Power spokesman Rory Scott said: “The shop is not being fitted out as we’re currently waiting on final approval.

“All being well, it will be open approximately in July.”

While gambling is rising nationally, according to the Office of National Statistics, this is the only application to for a new license in Hereford in the last 12 months.

Herefordshire Council took over gambling licensing in 2007, with five premises already operating within a few hundred metres of High Town. William Hill has shops on Widemarsh Street and St Owen's Street while Sporting Bet has a site on Commercial Street.

XXXX and bets can also be placed in Cashino Gaming in Eign Gate.

However in that time betting shops complexions have changed dramatically, with the Campaign for Fairer Gambling last year releasing a report that demonstrated the profligation of gaming machines.

Those machines, Fixed Odds Betting Terminals (FOBT), were spared strict measures suggested by campaigners – including reducing the maximum stake to £2 – in the measures proposed by sports minister Helen Grant last week.

Betting shop staff will however have to check in with players who want to stake more than £50 on FOBT.

Paddy Power’s Andy McCue was among those speaking out against the measures.

however on the same day they were announced, shares in fellow high street betting giant William Hill – who themselves have location on St Peters Street – rose by 6.1 percent .

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10:21am Wed 7 May 14

Ivor P says...

No-Enough is enough-Let's have proper shops..
No-Enough is enough-Let's have proper shops.. Ivor P
  • Score: 12

11:01am Wed 7 May 14

NOT CONVINCED says...

What's the odds the corrupt council crooks will give them the license ?
What's the odds the corrupt council crooks will give them the license ? NOT CONVINCED
  • Score: 2

11:37am Wed 7 May 14

RogerLFC says...

Virtually everyone has a phone and you can bet on anything with an account and a few keystrokes ... So these shops are popping up to proliferate the fixed odds machines where you can bet up to £300 in one minute ... I'd sooner see proper shops as well ... We don't need another bookies ...
Virtually everyone has a phone and you can bet on anything with an account and a few keystrokes ... So these shops are popping up to proliferate the fixed odds machines where you can bet up to £300 in one minute ... I'd sooner see proper shops as well ... We don't need another bookies ... RogerLFC
  • Score: 13

11:46am Wed 7 May 14

Herefordian07 says...

With the advent of the OLM we are witnessing the demise of High Town quicker than expected, it will be full of charity shops, mobile phone shops, empty shops and the odd business trying to survive in what will become a very shady and shabby environment, well done our beloved council, you were warned by experienced and successful business people but you chose to ignore it because "You know what is best". The council promised us totally new shops in the OLM and most of them are existing shops that have now deserted the city centre, give yourselves a pat on the back for your marvellous business acumen. LOL.
With the advent of the OLM we are witnessing the demise of High Town quicker than expected, it will be full of charity shops, mobile phone shops, empty shops and the odd business trying to survive in what will become a very shady and shabby environment, well done our beloved council, you were warned by experienced and successful business people but you chose to ignore it because "You know what is best". The council promised us totally new shops in the OLM and most of them are existing shops that have now deserted the city centre, give yourselves a pat on the back for your marvellous business acumen. LOL. Herefordian07
  • Score: -3

1:09pm Wed 7 May 14

Gillian1961 says...

i thought paddy power was a horse running in the grand national until my daughter put me right thats how much of a gambler i am, so it dosn't matter to me how many bookies they have in hereford
i thought paddy power was a horse running in the grand national until my daughter put me right thats how much of a gambler i am, so it dosn't matter to me how many bookies they have in hereford Gillian1961
  • Score: 1

3:09pm Wed 7 May 14

William Rudd says...

I don't see no problem.I't will fill a few empty shops &.employ people.
You moan about empty shops then moan when they are filled with a business you don't like.Some people need to get a grip
I don't see no problem.I't will fill a few empty shops &.employ people. You moan about empty shops then moan when they are filled with a business you don't like.Some people need to get a grip William Rudd
  • Score: 0

3:30pm Wed 7 May 14

AylestoneVoice says...

Not a problem as I see it. More competition is good as well as uses in buildings.
Ivor P presumably you will be opening a shop fairly soon?
Herefordian07 - presumably the experienced businessmen include those who own buildings in the city centre and want to protect the rents they can charge for buildings that modern retailers just don't want? The vast majority of people think it is a good development.
Not a problem as I see it. More competition is good as well as uses in buildings. Ivor P presumably you will be opening a shop fairly soon? Herefordian07 - presumably the experienced businessmen include those who own buildings in the city centre and want to protect the rents they can charge for buildings that modern retailers just don't want? The vast majority of people think it is a good development. AylestoneVoice
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Wed 7 May 14

littlewhitebull says...

What are the current odds on even more betting shops coming to the city in the future?
What are the current odds on even more betting shops coming to the city in the future? littlewhitebull
  • Score: 8

4:22pm Wed 7 May 14

Herefordian07 says...

Presumably AylestoneVoice you did not attend the copious meetings over the past decade that I did, at a meeting at TGS bowling a large group of business people were assured by senior council officials including cabinet members that they would not allow existing businesses to vacate city centre premises just to take positions in the (ESG) OLM, they wanted totally new ventures to come to Hereford and compliment the established businesses, when asked how they would do this they answered with planning regulations. I believe this development will prove detrimental in the fullness of time regardless of the vast majority of people thinking it is good, high town will wither as the quality of shops declines and this can be witnessed in other cities where similar developments have occurred. You have your opinion I have mine nothing personal.
Presumably AylestoneVoice you did not attend the copious meetings over the past decade that I did, at a meeting at TGS bowling a large group of business people were assured by senior council officials including cabinet members that they would not allow existing businesses to vacate city centre premises just to take positions in the (ESG) OLM, they wanted totally new ventures to come to Hereford and compliment the established businesses, when asked how they would do this they answered with planning regulations. I believe this development will prove detrimental in the fullness of time regardless of the vast majority of people thinking it is good, high town will wither as the quality of shops declines and this can be witnessed in other cities where similar developments have occurred. You have your opinion I have mine nothing personal. Herefordian07
  • Score: 6

5:00pm Wed 7 May 14

AylestoneVoice says...

Herefordian07 - sorry if my comments came across as antagonistic. As you say we can have differing views.
I guess we will just have to wait and see how it turns out.
Herefordian07 - sorry if my comments came across as antagonistic. As you say we can have differing views. I guess we will just have to wait and see how it turns out. AylestoneVoice
  • Score: 4

5:08pm Wed 7 May 14

mizza21 says...

i agree. Why not have lots more betting shops.
Perhaps we could have more cheap food shops, pound shops and cheap booze shops.
Why not more take-aways too. Chicken shops, Kebabs and pawn shops, sorry adult special interest stores.
i agree. Why not have lots more betting shops. Perhaps we could have more cheap food shops, pound shops and cheap booze shops. Why not more take-aways too. Chicken shops, Kebabs and pawn shops, sorry adult special interest stores. mizza21
  • Score: 4

1:01pm Thu 8 May 14

petet25 says...

"So these shops are popping up to proliferate the fixed odds machines where you can bet up to £300 in one minute"

Yes the FOBT's are bad and I agree with people saying that these many shops should not be allowed to open, however £300 in 1 minute is exaggerated.

Actually the highest someone can bet on them is £100 a spin of roulette/hand of blackjack. Each spin/hand lasts for a minimum of 30 seconds. Therefore the maximum amount someone can be every minute is £200.

I know first hand that problem gambling is a huge issue in Hereford. I have had my fair share of addiction and know that when I have been in the bookmakers in town, people have said to me about their gambling problem and not being able to stop. So people who claim its simply a empty shop being filled actually need a wake up call.

The addictive nature of bookmakers are the FOBT machines. By law each bookmaker is only allowed to have 4 FOBT's per shop. That's the reason why so many bookmakers open.... Because the profit from these machines are so great, they can afford to pay premises and council rates and still make eye watering profits.

When the machines were introduced, they were not tested. Labour relaxed the gambling laws and allowed these machines into bookmakers. The machines were classed as "on probation" while more research was going on. However they were never fully understood and the government had no idea about these machines.

Now labour have openly admitted they got it wrong and several reviews have started happening to reduce the maximum stake and even limit the amount of machines further. Already the machines have been linked to problem gambling and antisocial behaviour.

The machines basically take money from other businesses in town and fill the pockets of the rich.

Bookmakers make more profit because there are not exactly any overheads. They don't have to buy new stock and every FOBT machine guarantees profit.
"So these shops are popping up to proliferate the fixed odds machines where you can bet up to £300 in one minute" Yes the FOBT's are bad and I agree with people saying that these many shops should not be allowed to open, however £300 in 1 minute is exaggerated. Actually the highest someone can bet on them is £100 a spin of roulette/hand of blackjack. Each spin/hand lasts for a minimum of 30 seconds. Therefore the maximum amount someone can be every minute is £200. I know first hand that problem gambling is a huge issue in Hereford. I have had my fair share of addiction and know that when I have been in the bookmakers in town, people have said to me about their gambling problem and not being able to stop. So people who claim its simply a empty shop being filled actually need a wake up call. The addictive nature of bookmakers are the FOBT machines. By law each bookmaker is only allowed to have 4 FOBT's per shop. That's the reason why so many bookmakers open.... Because the profit from these machines are so great, they can afford to pay premises and council rates and still make eye watering profits. When the machines were introduced, they were not tested. Labour relaxed the gambling laws and allowed these machines into bookmakers. The machines were classed as "on probation" while more research was going on. However they were never fully understood and the government had no idea about these machines. Now labour have openly admitted they got it wrong and several reviews have started happening to reduce the maximum stake and even limit the amount of machines further. Already the machines have been linked to problem gambling and antisocial behaviour. The machines basically take money from other businesses in town and fill the pockets of the rich. Bookmakers make more profit because there are not exactly any overheads. They don't have to buy new stock and every FOBT machine guarantees profit. petet25
  • Score: 8

6:21pm Thu 8 May 14

William Rudd says...

Herefordian07 wrote:
Presumably AylestoneVoice you did not attend the copious meetings over the past decade that I did, at a meeting at TGS bowling a large group of business people were assured by senior council officials including cabinet members that they would not allow existing businesses to vacate city centre premises just to take positions in the (ESG) OLM, they wanted totally new ventures to come to Hereford and compliment the established businesses, when asked how they would do this they answered with planning regulations. I believe this development will prove detrimental in the fullness of time regardless of the vast majority of people thinking it is good, high town will wither as the quality of shops declines and this can be witnessed in other cities where similar developments have occurred. You have your opinion I have mine nothing personal.
And how would they stop a business relocating to wherever they want in the City?TK Max & Next were going to leave the City if they did not find a bigger premises to go to.
[quote][p][bold]Herefordian07[/bold] wrote: Presumably AylestoneVoice you did not attend the copious meetings over the past decade that I did, at a meeting at TGS bowling a large group of business people were assured by senior council officials including cabinet members that they would not allow existing businesses to vacate city centre premises just to take positions in the (ESG) OLM, they wanted totally new ventures to come to Hereford and compliment the established businesses, when asked how they would do this they answered with planning regulations. I believe this development will prove detrimental in the fullness of time regardless of the vast majority of people thinking it is good, high town will wither as the quality of shops declines and this can be witnessed in other cities where similar developments have occurred. You have your opinion I have mine nothing personal.[/p][/quote]And how would they stop a business relocating to wherever they want in the City?TK Max & Next were going to leave the City if they did not find a bigger premises to go to. William Rudd
  • Score: 2

6:21pm Thu 8 May 14

William Rudd says...

Herefordian07 wrote:
Presumably AylestoneVoice you did not attend the copious meetings over the past decade that I did, at a meeting at TGS bowling a large group of business people were assured by senior council officials including cabinet members that they would not allow existing businesses to vacate city centre premises just to take positions in the (ESG) OLM, they wanted totally new ventures to come to Hereford and compliment the established businesses, when asked how they would do this they answered with planning regulations. I believe this development will prove detrimental in the fullness of time regardless of the vast majority of people thinking it is good, high town will wither as the quality of shops declines and this can be witnessed in other cities where similar developments have occurred. You have your opinion I have mine nothing personal.
And how would they stop a business relocating to wherever they want in the City?TK Max & Next were going to leave the City if they did not find a bigger premises to go to.
[quote][p][bold]Herefordian07[/bold] wrote: Presumably AylestoneVoice you did not attend the copious meetings over the past decade that I did, at a meeting at TGS bowling a large group of business people were assured by senior council officials including cabinet members that they would not allow existing businesses to vacate city centre premises just to take positions in the (ESG) OLM, they wanted totally new ventures to come to Hereford and compliment the established businesses, when asked how they would do this they answered with planning regulations. I believe this development will prove detrimental in the fullness of time regardless of the vast majority of people thinking it is good, high town will wither as the quality of shops declines and this can be witnessed in other cities where similar developments have occurred. You have your opinion I have mine nothing personal.[/p][/quote]And how would they stop a business relocating to wherever they want in the City?TK Max & Next were going to leave the City if they did not find a bigger premises to go to. William Rudd
  • Score: -1

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