Cops to take 'back Hereford streets'

Ledbury Reporter: (8110151) (8110151)

HEREFORD’S cops have launched an operation to “take back the streets”, clearing the city centre of drunks and drug users, and getting them the help they need.

Operation Castlemain was officially launched this week – its name bearing a striking resemblance to the XXXX lager – although it has been in action for around two weeks already.

Over that time the officers working on the operation have averaged an arrest a day for anti-social offences like begging or being drunk and disorderly in a public place.

“Enough is enough,” said sergeant Duncan Reynolds.

“We were beginning to notice a rise in anti-social behaviour – and it was time to take back the streets.”

Police have cracked down on hotspots – areas like the Castle Green, the nearby duck pond and High Town – where persistent offending occurs, and where habitual offenders congregate.

Police then work with other agencies, including the street pastors and rehabilitation services, to help those people get the advice and support they need.

Around 15 people are responsible for much of the anti-social crime in the city centre, all of whom are UK nationals.

Increased manpower allows those on patrol to spend time observing and working with those targets, and where necessary taking action to ensure that the streets feel safe for everyone.

The hope is that success working with this small number of regular offenders could have a large impact on the feeling of High Town, and the operation has been backed by Hereford mayor Len Tawn.

It is also expected to impact on other crimes such as shop lifting that are often associated with habitual drug users.

Offenders can be hit with CRASBOs (criminal anti-social behaviour orders) that dictate where they can go and place restrictions on their drinking in public.

Cross-agency work will then step in to try and ensure the offender deals with the long-term problem, and does not simply move on to another part of town.

Last week police recommended that the conditions of a St Owen Street newsagent’s license were changed after serving alcohol to people known to be involved in anti-social behaviour and nuisance in the city centre.

As part of those recommendations, police called for a ban on fortified lagers (above 6.5 per cent) and the sale of single cans and three-litre bottles of alcohol.

For many repeat offenders those super-strong lagers will serve as ‘breakfast’, before they go to the church to have their actual meal, added sergeant Reynolds.

For updates on the operation's success, search for #OpCastlemain on Twitter.

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12:46pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Moreteavicar? says...

What about the groups of youths around McDonalds? They seem far more of a problem to me. Eg bouncing a rugby ball into old ladies resulting in laughter let alone no apology. When a group of three police officers in High Town were told of this, their response was "we will look into it".........
What about the groups of youths around McDonalds? They seem far more of a problem to me. Eg bouncing a rugby ball into old ladies resulting in laughter let alone no apology. When a group of three police officers in High Town were told of this, their response was "we will look into it"......... Moreteavicar?
  • Score: 11

1:56pm Fri 11 Jul 14

supermel says...

Hereford police i feel sick, you had a 999 call to my son last month, he had been assaulted, none of you responded to that call and the one that done it was there, your going to get drug addicts help , well how about helping me to solve this crime as i am having difficulty living with what has happened ,my son has lost all feeling in one side of his face , and had 3 fractures, how about speeding up your enquiries and bringing the pig that did this to my son to justice ,then help druggies and drunks as much as you wish, this happened in a Hereford pub unprovoked attack and this is the second attack that i know of as one was in this paper last week, and all i want is to see justice done, never mind druggies and drunks you need to concentrate on the despicable crimes like this that are becoming more popular in Hereford , put extra man power into helping us law abiding citizens go out without living in fear,the response from the police for that night was we were busy ,well how come , extra man power to get druggies help, and arrest drunks, from a very sad mother,
Hereford police i feel sick, you had a 999 call to my son last month, he had been assaulted, none of you responded to that call and the one that done it was there, your going to get drug addicts help , well how about helping me to solve this crime as i am having difficulty living with what has happened ,my son has lost all feeling in one side of his face , and had 3 fractures, how about speeding up your enquiries and bringing the pig that did this to my son to justice ,then help druggies and drunks as much as you wish, this happened in a Hereford pub unprovoked attack and this is the second attack that i know of as one was in this paper last week, and all i want is to see justice done, never mind druggies and drunks you need to concentrate on the despicable crimes like this that are becoming more popular in Hereford , put extra man power into helping us law abiding citizens go out without living in fear,the response from the police for that night was we were busy ,well how come , extra man power to get druggies help, and arrest drunks, from a very sad mother, supermel
  • Score: 33

4:01pm Fri 11 Jul 14

foreverandalways says...

Disgusting druggies have enough money wasted on them as it is. Gather them all together and let them all do cold turkey together in a room and whatever is left at the end is left... Fed up with police time being wasted on lost causes when innocent professional hard working people are being hurt and their lives ruined and you don't want to know. I'm sick of these wasters getting help when they cause nothing but trouble and then get helped for it. Get a grip and catch some culprits for a change... Disgusting wasting money on these people. Support the people they are hurting not the users themselves - let them rot somewhere...
Disgusting druggies have enough money wasted on them as it is. Gather them all together and let them all do cold turkey together in a room and whatever is left at the end is left... Fed up with police time being wasted on lost causes when innocent professional hard working people are being hurt and their lives ruined and you don't want to know. I'm sick of these wasters getting help when they cause nothing but trouble and then get helped for it. Get a grip and catch some culprits for a change... Disgusting wasting money on these people. Support the people they are hurting not the users themselves - let them rot somewhere... foreverandalways
  • Score: 7

5:10pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Gillian1961 says...

I notice since they took away the benches from the front of the Baptist church the drunks and druggies have moved to the wall out side st peters church i came into town at 10am in the morning got off at the shire hall and they were already on the special brew sat on the wall as i crossed over, also i have seen them out side the job centre drinking as well they get every where
I notice since they took away the benches from the front of the Baptist church the drunks and druggies have moved to the wall out side st peters church i came into town at 10am in the morning got off at the shire hall and they were already on the special brew sat on the wall as i crossed over, also i have seen them out side the job centre drinking as well they get every where Gillian1961
  • Score: 8

5:10pm Fri 11 Jul 14

fmrbill says...

well police u now admit u have lost control this castle green duck pond prob been going on for months and u been told about it b4 and u did nothing. dont think u deserve praise for doing ure job which u should have been doing all the bloody time. doesnt say much for that last superindendant powell was it now u admiting u lost order in the street. ure just over paid gloryfied pen pushers with attiude probs and couldnt even solve a cludeo game even with all the clues. bloody wasters
well police u now admit u have lost control this castle green duck pond prob been going on for months and u been told about it b4 and u did nothing. dont think u deserve praise for doing ure job which u should have been doing all the bloody time. doesnt say much for that last superindendant powell was it now u admiting u lost order in the street. ure just over paid gloryfied pen pushers with attiude probs and couldnt even solve a cludeo game even with all the clues. bloody wasters fmrbill
  • Score: 11

10:14pm Fri 11 Jul 14

foreverandalways says...

Exactly my point they don't do anything... now they want to spend money on the wasters... Their are real victims and I have been one of them and it's excuse after excuse. I am reporting my story and I hope if nothing else it let's other people know exactly the scum their is in Hereford as the police don't seem to care. It makes me sick and here is an article announcing how they want to take control and help them.... Shame on you. Aside from my views on the police. Full respect to the pastures I have seen their wonderful work around town helping people but police you have a lot to answer for and I thought you were short staffed and unable to respond to an emergency call??? Wtf get a grip!
Exactly my point they don't do anything... now they want to spend money on the wasters... Their are real victims and I have been one of them and it's excuse after excuse. I am reporting my story and I hope if nothing else it let's other people know exactly the scum their is in Hereford as the police don't seem to care. It makes me sick and here is an article announcing how they want to take control and help them.... Shame on you. Aside from my views on the police. Full respect to the pastures I have seen their wonderful work around town helping people but police you have a lot to answer for and I thought you were short staffed and unable to respond to an emergency call??? Wtf get a grip! foreverandalways
  • Score: 6

2:15am Sat 12 Jul 14

fmrbill says...

foreverandalways reporting it where. seem like that old superindent did bugger all then and now swanned off retired with a fat public sector tax free lump sum and annusl pension. nice work if u csn get it, nearly as bad as the criminals their supposed to catch but cant as useless or wont as lazy isnt it this force west mercia had the most failed police on this new fitness test they got to do yearly, no doubt sitting on their **** eating jammy dognuts and all the other things they seem to be good indencent assualt on vunerable women just been jailed wasnt he a local policeman and a few others sacked or resign if locsl HT right hiding falsing docs ie hillsborough, plegate, hidden money wont tell how much and where their federation and dont investigate crime and they want my respect well bugger off. and no im not a druggie and criminal having my own say. im a law o biding citizen with a clean drivers licencw as well at present.
foreverandalways reporting it where. seem like that old superindent did bugger all then and now swanned off retired with a fat public sector tax free lump sum and annusl pension. nice work if u csn get it, nearly as bad as the criminals their supposed to catch but cant as useless or wont as lazy isnt it this force west mercia had the most failed police on this new fitness test they got to do yearly, no doubt sitting on their **** eating jammy dognuts and all the other things they seem to be good indencent assualt on vunerable women just been jailed wasnt he a local policeman and a few others sacked or resign if locsl HT right hiding falsing docs ie hillsborough, plegate, hidden money wont tell how much and where their federation and dont investigate crime and they want my respect well bugger off. and no im not a druggie and criminal having my own say. im a law o biding citizen with a clean drivers licencw as well at present. fmrbill
  • Score: 6

9:51am Sat 12 Jul 14

oldergit says...

I was a copper in the sixties in the Met and if now was then their feet wouldn't have touched the ground. Up in court next day, names and addresses published in the local paper . Instant justice. Then ,of course, we had shorter opening hours,policemen walked the beat on their own instead of holding hands and the Black Maria was in use. Good old Dixon! Good evening all!
I was a copper in the sixties in the Met and if now was then their feet wouldn't have touched the ground. Up in court next day, names and addresses published in the local paper . Instant justice. Then ,of course, we had shorter opening hours,policemen walked the beat on their own instead of holding hands and the Black Maria was in use. Good old Dixon! Good evening all! oldergit
  • Score: 20

3:08pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Ubique1 says...

Feel very sorry for " supermel " , a very caring mother . I can for a couple of reason know where she is coming from - you feel so helpless - all you want is justice for your son .

Wondering why this rural English newspaper is using the word. " COPS " to describe our Police Service . ( perhaps I am getting old and are not keeping up with modern language ?)
Feel very sorry for " supermel " , a very caring mother . I can for a couple of reason know where she is coming from - you feel so helpless - all you want is justice for your son . Wondering why this rural English newspaper is using the word. " COPS " to describe our Police Service . ( perhaps I am getting old and are not keeping up with modern language ?) Ubique1
  • Score: 7

3:30pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Moreteavicar? says...

Ubique1 wrote:
Feel very sorry for " supermel " , a very caring mother . I can for a couple of reason know where she is coming from - you feel so helpless - all you want is justice for your son .

Wondering why this rural English newspaper is using the word. " COPS " to describe our Police Service . ( perhaps I am getting old and are not keeping up with modern language ?)
Because it is the usual (shoddy) standard of HT journalism.
[quote][p][bold]Ubique1[/bold] wrote: Feel very sorry for " supermel " , a very caring mother . I can for a couple of reason know where she is coming from - you feel so helpless - all you want is justice for your son . Wondering why this rural English newspaper is using the word. " COPS " to describe our Police Service . ( perhaps I am getting old and are not keeping up with modern language ?)[/p][/quote]Because it is the usual (shoddy) standard of HT journalism. Moreteavicar?
  • Score: 5

3:31pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Moreteavicar? says...

Ubique1 wrote:
Feel very sorry for " supermel " , a very caring mother . I can for a couple of reason know where she is coming from - you feel so helpless - all you want is justice for your son .

Wondering why this rural English newspaper is using the word. " COPS " to describe our Police Service . ( perhaps I am getting old and are not keeping up with modern language ?)
Because it is the usual (shoddy) standard of HT journalism.
[quote][p][bold]Ubique1[/bold] wrote: Feel very sorry for " supermel " , a very caring mother . I can for a couple of reason know where she is coming from - you feel so helpless - all you want is justice for your son . Wondering why this rural English newspaper is using the word. " COPS " to describe our Police Service . ( perhaps I am getting old and are not keeping up with modern language ?)[/p][/quote]Because it is the usual (shoddy) standard of HT journalism. Moreteavicar?
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Sat 12 Jul 14

dodger3 says...

Popped into the City at midday-halve a dozen drunks up the side of the Catholic Church in Broad Street. City very busy and not a uniform in sight.
Earlier this week, beggar in Church Street openly asking for money-nice advertisement for Hereford, with my Grandson on Friday, male openly urinating in old graveyard This is a nation wide problem and will only get worse with benefit cuts and rising house prices. We need positive ACTION and not words to deal with these people'
Popped into the City at midday-halve a dozen drunks up the side of the Catholic Church in Broad Street. City very busy and not a uniform in sight. Earlier this week, beggar in Church Street openly asking for money-nice advertisement for Hereford, with my Grandson on Friday, male openly urinating in old graveyard This is a nation wide problem and will only get worse with benefit cuts and rising house prices. We need positive ACTION and not words to deal with these people' dodger3
  • Score: 15

7:48pm Sat 12 Jul 14

swampy says...

I also think the people that hang around St.Peters Church are a massive problem, I volunteer at a local charity shop and some of our older and more vulnerable customers are frightened to walk past them, and this is mid morning, the rubbish they leave behind is awful and in a couple of weeks the lad that litter picks the area looses his job. I dread to imagine what the area will look like then.
I also think the people that hang around St.Peters Church are a massive problem, I volunteer at a local charity shop and some of our older and more vulnerable customers are frightened to walk past them, and this is mid morning, the rubbish they leave behind is awful and in a couple of weeks the lad that litter picks the area looses his job. I dread to imagine what the area will look like then. swampy
  • Score: 10

8:56pm Sat 12 Jul 14

mr.dig says...

think we got it bad, go to reykjavik .. verbal warning then "i ll see you in2 weeks" round and round, no justice..the people lose out..
digby..
think we got it bad, go to reykjavik .. verbal warning then "i ll see you in2 weeks" round and round, no justice..the people lose out.. digby.. mr.dig
  • Score: 0

1:50am Sun 13 Jul 14

treeshavefeelings says...

Some of these beggars are genuinely homeless, is it fair to treat them like criminals? Is it humane to treat them like criminals? It's not the beggars that are the problem, it's the unruly youths acting up and drinking underage, would it not be a better use of the police force time to find where the youth are getting alcoholic drinks from, dealing with the drunk youths and maybe even putting a late night curfew in place?
Some of these beggars are genuinely homeless, is it fair to treat them like criminals? Is it humane to treat them like criminals? It's not the beggars that are the problem, it's the unruly youths acting up and drinking underage, would it not be a better use of the police force time to find where the youth are getting alcoholic drinks from, dealing with the drunk youths and maybe even putting a late night curfew in place? treeshavefeelings
  • Score: 5

2:13am Sun 13 Jul 14

petet25 says...

treeshavefeelings - Here's the thing though.

I do believe everyone deserves a home, but how many of us here know heroin is bad/addictive/kills you? I would say everyone.

Nearly everyone has hard times in life, but most know not to dabble in heroin to get through it so never end up in that mess. These druggies/alcoholics/
"criminals" are intimidating, shady, devious and even aggressive towards innocent members of the public. They try to feed members of the public any old sob story to get a few quid off them so they can buy a few cans of super strong alcohol or drugs.

The police wont really ever bother with underage youths drinking and causing trouble.... I can answer 1 of your questions though without a doubt. They mostly get the alcohol from their parents. Yes a lot of parents will buy their 13/14 year old daughter a big bottle of cider these days
treeshavefeelings - Here's the thing though. I do believe everyone deserves a home, but how many of us here know heroin is bad/addictive/kills you? I would say everyone. Nearly everyone has hard times in life, but most know not to dabble in heroin to get through it so never end up in that mess. These druggies/alcoholics/ "criminals" are intimidating, shady, devious and even aggressive towards innocent members of the public. They try to feed members of the public any old sob story to get a few quid off them so they can buy a few cans of super strong alcohol or drugs. The police wont really ever bother with underage youths drinking and causing trouble.... I can answer 1 of your questions though without a doubt. They mostly get the alcohol from their parents. Yes a lot of parents will buy their 13/14 year old daughter a big bottle of cider these days petet25
  • Score: 6

7:48am Sun 13 Jul 14

Semper Veracem says...

I too have every sympathy for Supermel's plight and can understand her frustrations at the timing of this. However you have to remember that just because one section of the police are tasked with clearing up the streets from drunks does not mean that other officers are ignoring crimes like this. They have different areas of responsibility and different types of crime to investigate. It's a matter of fact that Hereford is a haven for drunks. Any resident of this Shire could tell you the places they gather and whilst some of them are probably quite harmless (and legless) there are, with any societal group, a minority who are not so well behaved and do cause people concern because of their antisocial activities. You can't blame the police for wanting to tackle this and to do it with a firm approach. This city is proposing university status, this city is actively encouraging people to come and live and work here. It needs to be seen to be attractive enough to make that work. It's no longer enough to rely upon our beautiful countryside and rural charm. The reality is very different and I suspect the police see a far darker reality of the situation than most of us do from our relatively sheltered ivory towers.
I too have every sympathy for Supermel's plight and can understand her frustrations at the timing of this. However you have to remember that just because one section of the police are tasked with clearing up the streets from drunks does not mean that other officers are ignoring crimes like this. They have different areas of responsibility and different types of crime to investigate. It's a matter of fact that Hereford is a haven for drunks. Any resident of this Shire could tell you the places they gather and whilst some of them are probably quite harmless (and legless) there are, with any societal group, a minority who are not so well behaved and do cause people concern because of their antisocial activities. You can't blame the police for wanting to tackle this and to do it with a firm approach. This city is proposing university status, this city is actively encouraging people to come and live and work here. It needs to be seen to be attractive enough to make that work. It's no longer enough to rely upon our beautiful countryside and rural charm. The reality is very different and I suspect the police see a far darker reality of the situation than most of us do from our relatively sheltered ivory towers. Semper Veracem
  • Score: 10

8:06am Sun 13 Jul 14

treeshavefeelings says...

Alright Pete, let's say for instance you become homeless, you have nothing left nowhere to go, would you rather a cold night on the streets l, alone and unhappy or a substance that removes you mind temporarily from the hell that you are living in? I once spoke in-depth with a homeless man in Bristol, I asked him why he spent the money he was begging for on drugs, his reply was "heroin is like a big hug, it keeps me warm in the night, a few cans of strong beer wears off quickly a hit of heroin takes me away.
Alright Pete, let's say for instance you become homeless, you have nothing left nowhere to go, would you rather a cold night on the streets l, alone and unhappy or a substance that removes you mind temporarily from the hell that you are living in? I once spoke in-depth with a homeless man in Bristol, I asked him why he spent the money he was begging for on drugs, his reply was "heroin is like a big hug, it keeps me warm in the night, a few cans of strong beer wears off quickly a hit of heroin takes me away. treeshavefeelings
  • Score: 3

8:57am Sun 13 Jul 14

fmrbill says...

semper the problem is though the police are paid to do this anyway its their job and they arent and havent been, they have ommitted it by this article that last superindendant powell must have been an idiot not to know what going on in streets, and I have an idea from your username that u mite be or were that insp semper who is in the police to right tripe like this or have u also wandered into horizon with golden pension. ?? were u the policeman when the signs were altered to read welcome to poland first said this a prank then few mths l8r decided it wasnt something more sinister like a crime or underlying racist trend. like I send b4 police so far behind what people thinking miss so much either through stupidy or lazness like said b4 couldnt even solve cluedo board game with all clues there.
semper the problem is though the police are paid to do this anyway its their job and they arent and havent been, they have ommitted it by this article that last superindendant powell must have been an idiot not to know what going on in streets, and I have an idea from your username that u mite be or were that insp semper who is in the police to right tripe like this or have u also wandered into horizon with golden pension. ?? were u the policeman when the signs were altered to read welcome to poland first said this a prank then few mths l8r decided it wasnt something more sinister like a crime or underlying racist trend. like I send b4 police so far behind what people thinking miss so much either through stupidy or lazness like said b4 couldnt even solve cluedo board game with all clues there. fmrbill
  • Score: -2

1:07pm Sun 13 Jul 14

dodger3 says...

Many of the addicts are incapable of looking after themselves, often they are given social housing, which they abuse and cause havoc to their neighbours, and in no time back on the streets. In reality a hostel would be the answer, whereby they could be helped and monitored. A lot of the problems decrease when St Peters homeless shelter is opened, (maybe weather helps). We cannot treat these people like flotsam, a firm helping hand?
Many of the addicts are incapable of looking after themselves, often they are given social housing, which they abuse and cause havoc to their neighbours, and in no time back on the streets. In reality a hostel would be the answer, whereby they could be helped and monitored. A lot of the problems decrease when St Peters homeless shelter is opened, (maybe weather helps). We cannot treat these people like flotsam, a firm helping hand? dodger3
  • Score: 7

2:22pm Sun 13 Jul 14

supermel says...

thank you semper, i understand that police have different tasks ,but they let people down big time , they cant do anything that is a bit difficult like catching real criminals. down my road there are sometimes 2 police cars laying in wait for motorist speeding , they are going to offer druggies help and clean the streets of drunks , but when it comes to real crime what takes them so long and by the time they get around to doing anything the criminal will go free, well 4 years ago someone robbed me in the middle of Hereford i had a person in a wheelchair and needed to get home for his meds, they were no help and even told me to get a bus with no money, they did nothing to help me and i felt like the criminal, now my son has been assaulted badly and i fear the one that done it will go free, i feel let down as my son and all of us will have to live with this , i have always brought my family up to respect people and the law and now i have no respect for the law it makes me want to break the law as i now know you get treated better, and nothing to loose, i may consider doing drugs now as then they will help me to get help well at 60 years old i am disgusted by it all , they love nothing better than anything easy ,this week if i hit someone over the back of the head i don't have to worry at all ,the police wont even come if called as they are to busy to answer a 999 call, but if i choose to do drugs that will be ok as they will get me help , what the hell no wonder im upset and angry , semper if you are or have been in the police my veiw of you all is you are all paid to do a job , either do it or don't join up , and there should be no bother with drunks in the street when i have seen plenty of officers around Hereford doing nothing a few times and one was the night i got called to my son ,3 police cars parked at a garage having a great laugh, in uniform not off duty i might add
thank you semper, i understand that police have different tasks ,but they let people down big time , they cant do anything that is a bit difficult like catching real criminals. down my road there are sometimes 2 police cars laying in wait for motorist speeding , they are going to offer druggies help and clean the streets of drunks , but when it comes to real crime what takes them so long and by the time they get around to doing anything the criminal will go free, well 4 years ago someone robbed me in the middle of Hereford i had a person in a wheelchair and needed to get home for his meds, they were no help and even told me to get a bus with no money, they did nothing to help me and i felt like the criminal, now my son has been assaulted badly and i fear the one that done it will go free, i feel let down as my son and all of us will have to live with this , i have always brought my family up to respect people and the law and now i have no respect for the law it makes me want to break the law as i now know you get treated better, and nothing to loose, i may consider doing drugs now as then they will help me to get help well at 60 years old i am disgusted by it all , they love nothing better than anything easy ,this week if i hit someone over the back of the head i don't have to worry at all ,the police wont even come if called as they are to busy to answer a 999 call, but if i choose to do drugs that will be ok as they will get me help , what the hell no wonder im upset and angry , semper if you are or have been in the police my veiw of you all is you are all paid to do a job , either do it or don't join up , and there should be no bother with drunks in the street when i have seen plenty of officers around Hereford doing nothing a few times and one was the night i got called to my son ,3 police cars parked at a garage having a great laugh, in uniform not off duty i might add supermel
  • Score: 8

10:05pm Sun 13 Jul 14

Gillian1961 says...

dodger3 wrote:
Many of the addicts are incapable of looking after themselves, often they are given social housing, which they abuse and cause havoc to their neighbours, and in no time back on the streets. In reality a hostel would be the answer, whereby they could be helped and monitored. A lot of the problems decrease when St Peters homeless shelter is opened, (maybe weather helps). We cannot treat these people like flotsam, a firm helping hand?
They need to amit they have a problem in the first place, some off them do not want help, the whole town out arears should be alco FREE zones
[quote][p][bold]dodger3[/bold] wrote: Many of the addicts are incapable of looking after themselves, often they are given social housing, which they abuse and cause havoc to their neighbours, and in no time back on the streets. In reality a hostel would be the answer, whereby they could be helped and monitored. A lot of the problems decrease when St Peters homeless shelter is opened, (maybe weather helps). We cannot treat these people like flotsam, a firm helping hand?[/p][/quote]They need to amit they have a problem in the first place, some off them do not want help, the whole town out arears should be alco FREE zones Gillian1961
  • Score: 2

7:00am Mon 14 Jul 14

probono says...

What about Ross, Lwominter , Bromyard and Kington ? Are they to have this too ? Antisocial behaviour is not just confined to the City and while Housing Associations continue to relocate problem people to the Market Towns this will only get worse. The Police are failing to respond or act on reports and incidents to keep their statistics down. Happened to me recently after a fairly serious crime was committed and witnessed was closed as 'no evidence'. Perhaps we need to get together with all these similar cases and visit Hindlip Hall and ask for an explanation. The PCC was supposed to be dealing with things like Supermel's case. Since the demise of the PACTs and the PCCG meetings where the public could meet face to face with Police and ask for assistance, answers and action, they are once again a remote body, only seen rushing round in their Z cars.
What about Ross, Lwominter , Bromyard and Kington ? Are they to have this too ? Antisocial behaviour is not just confined to the City and while Housing Associations continue to relocate problem people to the Market Towns this will only get worse. The Police are failing to respond or act on reports and incidents to keep their statistics down. Happened to me recently after a fairly serious crime was committed and witnessed was closed as 'no evidence'. Perhaps we need to get together with all these similar cases and visit Hindlip Hall and ask for an explanation. The PCC was supposed to be dealing with things like Supermel's case. Since the demise of the PACTs and the PCCG meetings where the public could meet face to face with Police and ask for assistance, answers and action, they are once again a remote body, only seen rushing round in their Z cars. probono
  • Score: 2

10:18am Mon 14 Jul 14

mizza21 says...

Supermel, you are very brave putting your feelings into words like this.
There's an accepted view of young people and late night drinking that suggests it's all fighting and casual sex and recreational drug use and that the police just tolerate it unless it steps over the line.
Your son's case sounds like a rather nasty serious assault and should be dealt with in that way, but probably isn't because of the environment it took place in.
The Cops, as the HT would have it, are political these days because of the PCC. Old people vote, they are annoyed with drunks and druggies hanging about town, hence the action to deal with them.
Young people don't vote, so they will be de-prioritised.

All of you who voted in the PCC election are responsible for the Politicisation of the Police.
Supermel, you are very brave putting your feelings into words like this. There's an accepted view of young people and late night drinking that suggests it's all fighting and casual sex and recreational drug use and that the police just tolerate it unless it steps over the line. Your son's case sounds like a rather nasty serious assault and should be dealt with in that way, but probably isn't because of the environment it took place in. The Cops, as the HT would have it, are political these days because of the PCC. Old people vote, they are annoyed with drunks and druggies hanging about town, hence the action to deal with them. Young people don't vote, so they will be de-prioritised. All of you who voted in the PCC election are responsible for the Politicisation of the Police. mizza21
  • Score: 3

2:23pm Mon 14 Jul 14

petet25 says...

Tree's, I wasn't completely referring to people who are homeless through no fault of their own and then turn to drink or drugs once homeless as it could be the only thing they have to give them slight happiness.

I was referring more to people who had a place to live, a job, money. Then through their own will chose to go down the path of heroin, lost their job, home and ended up on the streets.

Myself and many other posters here will know there are quite a few of them that turned out like this in Hereford. In this situation people knew the risks, but still went down that path.

Actually there are some heroin addicts/alcoholics loitering in the town centre, asking for money who are not even homeless. They just want more and more money to fund their habits.
Tree's, I wasn't completely referring to people who are homeless through no fault of their own and then turn to drink or drugs once homeless as it could be the only thing they have to give them slight happiness. I was referring more to people who had a place to live, a job, money. Then through their own will chose to go down the path of heroin, lost their job, home and ended up on the streets. Myself and many other posters here will know there are quite a few of them that turned out like this in Hereford. In this situation people knew the risks, but still went down that path. Actually there are some heroin addicts/alcoholics loitering in the town centre, asking for money who are not even homeless. They just want more and more money to fund their habits. petet25
  • Score: 4

2:31pm Mon 14 Jul 14

petet25 says...

We have to also understand that drug addicts can't be trusted. Many will turn to crime to fund their habit.

Giving them a "helping hand" by providing them with somewhere to live, money or shelter isn't always the answer as it could fund their habit or allow them to turn their accommodation into drug dens.

The police/council/gover
nment should cut them a deal instead. If they go through rehab and are declared drug free, they could be given accommodation and as much help as possible to get into work. If they fell back into drugs again though, all help would be stopped.

Then again I bet many simply wouldn't want help
We have to also understand that drug addicts can't be trusted. Many will turn to crime to fund their habit. Giving them a "helping hand" by providing them with somewhere to live, money or shelter isn't always the answer as it could fund their habit or allow them to turn their accommodation into drug dens. The police/council/gover nment should cut them a deal instead. If they go through rehab and are declared drug free, they could be given accommodation and as much help as possible to get into work. If they fell back into drugs again though, all help would be stopped. Then again I bet many simply wouldn't want help petet25
  • Score: 4

3:18pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Semper Veracem says...

fmrbill wrote:
semper the problem is though the police are paid to do this anyway its their job and they arent and havent been, they have ommitted it by this article that last superindendant powell must have been an idiot not to know what going on in streets, and I have an idea from your username that u mite be or were that insp semper who is in the police to right tripe like this or have u also wandered into horizon with golden pension. ?? were u the policeman when the signs were altered to read welcome to poland first said this a prank then few mths l8r decided it wasnt something more sinister like a crime or underlying racist trend. like I send b4 police so far behind what people thinking miss so much either through stupidy or lazness like said b4 couldnt even solve cluedo board game with all clues there.
fmrbill - I'm in my 30s and therefore far from being able to waltz off into the sunset retired and employment free. I can't imagine a police officer would be stupid enough to comment on any forum like this using their real name - after all none of us do, do we? It's easy for people to bash others in highly visible jobs basing their opinions on what they see and their own perceptions of the job they do without the benefit of having any fact, experience or inclination to understand it. You sound like an angry man to me with nothing better to do than criticise instead of putting together a serious, well structured and factually based argument that supports your negative views. I don't know much about the previous Superintendent other than he was a Herefordian born and bred and therefore probably had quite a good understanding of this city, its residents and its problems. I'm not entirely sure what you and I are in danger of arguing about here really. Do we need more police on the streets? Yes. Do we want to be able to report something to them knowing that whatever the nature of the call we will get a response? Yes. Are we in a day and age where we have limitless money to be able to pay for that to happen? Sadly no. You seem to forget that like most of the rest of us the police have employers too who are responsible for the purse strings and the direction they take. If you want to have a pop at anyone for the inefficiency you speak of try looking further up the food chain towards the politicians.
[quote][p][bold]fmrbill[/bold] wrote: semper the problem is though the police are paid to do this anyway its their job and they arent and havent been, they have ommitted it by this article that last superindendant powell must have been an idiot not to know what going on in streets, and I have an idea from your username that u mite be or were that insp semper who is in the police to right tripe like this or have u also wandered into horizon with golden pension. ?? were u the policeman when the signs were altered to read welcome to poland first said this a prank then few mths l8r decided it wasnt something more sinister like a crime or underlying racist trend. like I send b4 police so far behind what people thinking miss so much either through stupidy or lazness like said b4 couldnt even solve cluedo board game with all clues there.[/p][/quote]fmrbill - I'm in my 30s and therefore far from being able to waltz off into the sunset retired and employment free. I can't imagine a police officer would be stupid enough to comment on any forum like this using their real name - after all none of us do, do we? It's easy for people to bash others in highly visible jobs basing their opinions on what they see and their own perceptions of the job they do without the benefit of having any fact, experience or inclination to understand it. You sound like an angry man to me with nothing better to do than criticise instead of putting together a serious, well structured and factually based argument that supports your negative views. I don't know much about the previous Superintendent other than he was a Herefordian born and bred and therefore probably had quite a good understanding of this city, its residents and its problems. I'm not entirely sure what you and I are in danger of arguing about here really. Do we need more police on the streets? Yes. Do we want to be able to report something to them knowing that whatever the nature of the call we will get a response? Yes. Are we in a day and age where we have limitless money to be able to pay for that to happen? Sadly no. You seem to forget that like most of the rest of us the police have employers too who are responsible for the purse strings and the direction they take. If you want to have a pop at anyone for the inefficiency you speak of try looking further up the food chain towards the politicians. Semper Veracem
  • Score: 11

5:58pm Mon 14 Jul 14

RogerLFC says...

I'm not surprised that the Police feel a need to 'reclaim the streets' because it's obvious that they've let things slide away from them. Evidenced by the fact that I drove past two of the regular drunks outside the Baptist Church last Tuesday (drinking) and they were still there 4 hours later when I drove back. By this time one was horizontal on the steps. I suppose things aren't helped by the fact that the Police 'team' for the area (according to the website) only has two Constables in it. The numbers are padded out with a few CSO's but it's not really the same and they can't throw you in the back of a van which is the only thing that some of these people understand. I think that drawing up a special operation (and awarding it with it's own name) is just ending up delivering a bread and butter service (ridding the streets of beggars and drunks) that we should be getting on a daily basis anyway. I know resources are tight and there are reasons why the Police have had to let it slide but all this stuff is happening within a stones throw of the biggest Police Station in the County. It's just ridiculous.
I'm not surprised that the Police feel a need to 'reclaim the streets' because it's obvious that they've let things slide away from them. Evidenced by the fact that I drove past two of the regular drunks outside the Baptist Church last Tuesday (drinking) and they were still there 4 hours later when I drove back. By this time one was horizontal on the steps. I suppose things aren't helped by the fact that the Police 'team' for the area (according to the website) only has two Constables in it. The numbers are padded out with a few CSO's but it's not really the same and they can't throw you in the back of a van which is the only thing that some of these people understand. I think that drawing up a special operation (and awarding it with it's own name) is just ending up delivering a bread and butter service (ridding the streets of beggars and drunks) that we should be getting on a daily basis anyway. I know resources are tight and there are reasons why the Police have had to let it slide but all this stuff is happening within a stones throw of the biggest Police Station in the County. It's just ridiculous. RogerLFC
  • Score: -1

10:58am Tue 15 Jul 14

Mr.Herefordian says...

Superintendent Powell started this COPS nonsense when he returned here it was my cops do this and my cops do that, now a female has taken over she does the same on about her cops.
Not sure if this is a order from above as we often have to follow after the Americans. Anyway I'm off to the moll to get some candy, cookies and a root beer with my mom.
Superintendent Powell started this COPS nonsense when he returned here it was my cops do this and my cops do that, now a female has taken over she does the same on about her cops. Not sure if this is a order from above as we often have to follow after the Americans. Anyway I'm off to the moll to get some candy, cookies and a root beer with my mom. Mr.Herefordian
  • Score: 1

11:05am Tue 15 Jul 14

mizza21 says...

Roger, they don't have the resources to do everything. This in itself is a travesty, but it is the real world and so they have to prioritise. They are prioritising ridding the streets of the most vulnerable members of society. What should they be prioritising, and more pertinently what do they de-prioritise? I would not like to have to make that choice.

For all you making the assertion that addiction is a choice. Please do some basic reading into the nature of addiction. This really is a very lazy assertion made without understanding or empathy.
They are all victims and need a comprehensive treatment plan to help them. This, in the end is the only way and has been shown to be the most cost effective.

In saying this though I realise that people like Supermel will be wondering where her sons serious assault fits. It should be dealt with properly and the victim should be offered victim support services.

Imagine having to choose between the two of those things if you can afford only one.
Roger, they don't have the resources to do everything. This in itself is a travesty, but it is the real world and so they have to prioritise. They are prioritising ridding the streets of the most vulnerable members of society. What should they be prioritising, and more pertinently what do they de-prioritise? I would not like to have to make that choice. For all you making the assertion that addiction is a choice. Please do some basic reading into the nature of addiction. This really is a very lazy assertion made without understanding or empathy. They are all victims and need a comprehensive treatment plan to help them. This, in the end is the only way and has been shown to be the most cost effective. In saying this though I realise that people like Supermel will be wondering where her sons serious assault fits. It should be dealt with properly and the victim should be offered victim support services. Imagine having to choose between the two of those things if you can afford only one. mizza21
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Thu 17 Jul 14

NatorGator says...

fmrbill wrote:
well police u now admit u have lost control this castle green duck pond prob been going on for months and u been told about it b4 and u did nothing. dont think u deserve praise for doing ure job which u should have been doing all the bloody time. doesnt say much for that last superindendant powell was it now u admiting u lost order in the street. ure just over paid gloryfied pen pushers with attiude probs and couldnt even solve a cludeo game even with all the clues. bloody wasters
When u use the letter u to mean you, u look like an utter pleb. U get me? (Uneducated chav moron)
[quote][p][bold]fmrbill[/bold] wrote: well police u now admit u have lost control this castle green duck pond prob been going on for months and u been told about it b4 and u did nothing. dont think u deserve praise for doing ure job which u should have been doing all the bloody time. doesnt say much for that last superindendant powell was it now u admiting u lost order in the street. ure just over paid gloryfied pen pushers with attiude probs and couldnt even solve a cludeo game even with all the clues. bloody wasters[/p][/quote]When u use the letter u to mean you, u look like an utter pleb. U get me? (Uneducated chav moron) NatorGator
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Thu 17 Jul 14

NatorGator says...

Semper Veracem wrote:
fmrbill wrote: semper the problem is though the police are paid to do this anyway its their job and they arent and havent been, they have ommitted it by this article that last superindendant powell must have been an idiot not to know what going on in streets, and I have an idea from your username that u mite be or were that insp semper who is in the police to right tripe like this or have u also wandered into horizon with golden pension. ?? were u the policeman when the signs were altered to read welcome to poland first said this a prank then few mths l8r decided it wasnt something more sinister like a crime or underlying racist trend. like I send b4 police so far behind what people thinking miss so much either through stupidy or lazness like said b4 couldnt even solve cluedo board game with all clues there.
fmrbill - I'm in my 30s and therefore far from being able to waltz off into the sunset retired and employment free. I can't imagine a police officer would be stupid enough to comment on any forum like this using their real name - after all none of us do, do we? It's easy for people to bash others in highly visible jobs basing their opinions on what they see and their own perceptions of the job they do without the benefit of having any fact, experience or inclination to understand it. You sound like an angry man to me with nothing better to do than criticise instead of putting together a serious, well structured and factually based argument that supports your negative views. I don't know much about the previous Superintendent other than he was a Herefordian born and bred and therefore probably had quite a good understanding of this city, its residents and its problems. I'm not entirely sure what you and I are in danger of arguing about here really. Do we need more police on the streets? Yes. Do we want to be able to report something to them knowing that whatever the nature of the call we will get a response? Yes. Are we in a day and age where we have limitless money to be able to pay for that to happen? Sadly no. You seem to forget that like most of the rest of us the police have employers too who are responsible for the purse strings and the direction they take. If you want to have a pop at anyone for the inefficiency you speak of try looking further up the food chain towards the politicians.
I agree with this chap. smrbrill - chill out mate I'm certain you are a government infiltrator with the sole intention of giving the appearance that you are a narrow minded cretin designed to deflect attention from what would be quite an interesting and important topic of converstaion if you were not jumping in with your two penneth. Everyone hates people like you, please be quiet in future for your own good and for the benefit of all mankind.
[quote][p][bold]Semper Veracem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fmrbill[/bold] wrote: semper the problem is though the police are paid to do this anyway its their job and they arent and havent been, they have ommitted it by this article that last superindendant powell must have been an idiot not to know what going on in streets, and I have an idea from your username that u mite be or were that insp semper who is in the police to right tripe like this or have u also wandered into horizon with golden pension. ?? were u the policeman when the signs were altered to read welcome to poland first said this a prank then few mths l8r decided it wasnt something more sinister like a crime or underlying racist trend. like I send b4 police so far behind what people thinking miss so much either through stupidy or lazness like said b4 couldnt even solve cluedo board game with all clues there.[/p][/quote]fmrbill - I'm in my 30s and therefore far from being able to waltz off into the sunset retired and employment free. I can't imagine a police officer would be stupid enough to comment on any forum like this using their real name - after all none of us do, do we? It's easy for people to bash others in highly visible jobs basing their opinions on what they see and their own perceptions of the job they do without the benefit of having any fact, experience or inclination to understand it. You sound like an angry man to me with nothing better to do than criticise instead of putting together a serious, well structured and factually based argument that supports your negative views. I don't know much about the previous Superintendent other than he was a Herefordian born and bred and therefore probably had quite a good understanding of this city, its residents and its problems. I'm not entirely sure what you and I are in danger of arguing about here really. Do we need more police on the streets? Yes. Do we want to be able to report something to them knowing that whatever the nature of the call we will get a response? Yes. Are we in a day and age where we have limitless money to be able to pay for that to happen? Sadly no. You seem to forget that like most of the rest of us the police have employers too who are responsible for the purse strings and the direction they take. If you want to have a pop at anyone for the inefficiency you speak of try looking further up the food chain towards the politicians.[/p][/quote]I agree with this chap. smrbrill - chill out mate I'm certain you are a government infiltrator with the sole intention of giving the appearance that you are a narrow minded cretin designed to deflect attention from what would be quite an interesting and important topic of converstaion if you were not jumping in with your two penneth. Everyone hates people like you, please be quiet in future for your own good and for the benefit of all mankind. NatorGator
  • Score: 1
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